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GA Operators Performance Calculation Methods?

Old 25th Nov 2013, 11:07
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Thanks Mutt, I was planning on taking a look at that book.
I would really like to get more people involved as its amazing how overlooked this very important part is. I don't have numbers, but as bizjetjock said, I have also seen most erroneously use OEI numbers for the SID in many cases severely limiting payload while completely ignoring prohibitive close in obstacles simply from lack of training and knowledge.

Many are now using various software products for this purpose, but I wonder how many know what information their chosen product decides to leave out that another may include and vice versa.

I've been in this business a long time and think that we need to take a tougher stand on performance and set a good example for the new guys. I remember when I left 135 six years ago and saw how some 91 brothers were completely ignoring performance because they thought the owners would be angry. As a senior captain I had a nice chat with our client and after explaining risk vs reward of their practices he agreed to do it the safe way. Now I would like to utilize all the resources at my disposal to ensure we are operating to the highest safety standard. No point stacking the deck before takeoff.
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Old 25th Nov 2013, 17:54
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amazing how overlooked this very important part is.

think that we need to take a tougher stand on performance
What accidents have happened because of OEI perf negligence ?

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Old 25th Nov 2013, 18:41
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What accidents have happened because of OEI neglecence ?
Does it make you feel good to contemplate the possibility that you might be an occupant of the first one that occurs?

I'm not a corporate type but I just can't comprehend why someone that would spend anywhere from one to seventy million dollars on a bizjet "can't afford" to buy the required runway analysis that would help to ensure its safety.

I might be willing to give the "owners" the benefit of the doubt in that they probably have little or no knowledge of aircraft performance. Unfortunately, that leaves pilots as the culprits.

You should all be excited by the thought that the life you save might be your own, tell your bosses what you need and then get what you need to do your job properly.

Even if you're a whiz at juggling AFM charts (unlikely) doing it accurately is improbable, too time consuming, and completely impractical. How do you even know accurately where the obstacles are located or how high they are [please don't tell me you read it on a Jepp chart]? You might as well just kick the tires, light the fires and pretend that nothing can go wrong (which from what you all say I suspect is what you do).

Performance is important! Think about it .... the life you save might be your own (even if it only happens once).
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Old 25th Nov 2013, 19:12
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which from what you all say I suspect is what you do
I did post a question. ANYTHING beyond that is YOUR imagination...
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Old 25th Nov 2013, 19:16
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No need to be defensive my friend I did not accuse you of anything. All I did was answer your question with another question. In English the word "you" is plural as well as singular.

Sorry if I pricked a nerve.
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Old 25th Nov 2013, 21:48
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[QUOTE]No need to be defensive/QUOTE]

Am I ?

I thought I was clarifying that I just posted a question...
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