What Chance For A Fair Deal In Netjets Europ?
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ferrypilot DK,
if you are still interested I strongly suggest you telephone recruitment. Unfortunately they seem to get somewhat "swamped", and whether they should or not, they sometimes miss cv's from experienced people until someone, either the person themselves or a friend in the company, chases up what has happened. Other colleagues and myself have seen this happen on a number of occasions. If you are still interested I think it is worth a telephone call.
People must make their own judgement on which version of Netjets is the reality, different people percieve things in different ways, based not just on how many hours they have but also on previous companies they have worked for. No job is perfect, but for me I think there has been a quantum leap forward in the quality of management and there is real evidence of a change in culture, but it will take time for that to reach everywhere.
I can only speak for my own fleet, but we have a good strong team in the fleet management office. Your e-mails and calls always get answered, and there is strong support for the pilots out there doing the job. I took part in the survey and I spoke my mind freely, as did all the colleagues I know who took part in it. I had criticisms of how things were being done, and many of them have been addressed since the survey results were made known to employees. Of note the company were very honest about the criticisms that were made of them in the survey.
I can understand that colleagues who joined Netjets in the beginning are unhappy with what has happened over the years. However, there seem to be real efforts to make things right and I am willing to give the new management that chance. Sure the new loyalty bonus is a major disappointment to a large number of us, and I have e-mailed in a strong complaint about it, but I personally feel the overall picture (I don't want to use "big picture"!) is a positive one. Great bunch of people to work with day to day, nice aircraft, varied flying, and a decent work/life balance.
You pays your money and makes your choice!
if you are still interested I strongly suggest you telephone recruitment. Unfortunately they seem to get somewhat "swamped", and whether they should or not, they sometimes miss cv's from experienced people until someone, either the person themselves or a friend in the company, chases up what has happened. Other colleagues and myself have seen this happen on a number of occasions. If you are still interested I think it is worth a telephone call.
People must make their own judgement on which version of Netjets is the reality, different people percieve things in different ways, based not just on how many hours they have but also on previous companies they have worked for. No job is perfect, but for me I think there has been a quantum leap forward in the quality of management and there is real evidence of a change in culture, but it will take time for that to reach everywhere.
I can only speak for my own fleet, but we have a good strong team in the fleet management office. Your e-mails and calls always get answered, and there is strong support for the pilots out there doing the job. I took part in the survey and I spoke my mind freely, as did all the colleagues I know who took part in it. I had criticisms of how things were being done, and many of them have been addressed since the survey results were made known to employees. Of note the company were very honest about the criticisms that were made of them in the survey.
I can understand that colleagues who joined Netjets in the beginning are unhappy with what has happened over the years. However, there seem to be real efforts to make things right and I am willing to give the new management that chance. Sure the new loyalty bonus is a major disappointment to a large number of us, and I have e-mailed in a strong complaint about it, but I personally feel the overall picture (I don't want to use "big picture"!) is a positive one. Great bunch of people to work with day to day, nice aircraft, varied flying, and a decent work/life balance.
You pays your money and makes your choice!
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Erik as you may know Pilots have ego and most like to tell that they work for a great company that add value to that ego, a bit like the type of aircraft they are flying, that also why patatoes got a different version, I wonder if he knows about the lack on pension, lack or minimum social security, lowest numbers of holidays in the industry with restriction from may to October and December , the attractive 95000 euros for life..no more progression, no lost of licence, by the way this month because of training I m on 7 on/ 4 off, 5 on /4 off, 6 on / 4 off surprising indeed but in the new best industry contract and I can carry on, now when I meet Poeple and ask me about Netjets if they fly for EZ I told them to stay there now if they fly Saab 340 for 22000 lbs or organs transplant on a Seneca, I told them to send they resume, I don t go into those kind of details ..may be I should 
PS: may rain resume of experienced Pilots ..but I was in GRT in the indoc class plan for 18 only 5 shows up... be carefull of the propaganda
PS: may rain resume of experienced Pilots ..but I was in GRT in the indoc class plan for 18 only 5 shows up... be carefull of the propaganda
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falconbis and many others have not yet left because they have invested a lot of time and effort to get the company where it is. They are still optimistic enough to believe that it might still be worth staying around to be rewarded for their labours and see the job through. Who can blame them?
Other, just as professional (including some VERY experienced), crew have reached their own cut-off point and gone elsewhere.
The fact that management refuse to acknowledge their efforts in a meaningful way speaks more about Netjets attitude toward their workforce than the professionalism of falconbis and the other long term employees who have worked the hardest to build the company up.
Before criticising these people for letting off steam in public give them some thought. They see years of hard work, compromise and favours being pissed down the drain. Who can blame them for raising the alarm in the hope that it might bring management to their senses and prevent would-be colleagues from being sucked in?
falconbis and many others have not yet left because they have invested a lot of time and effort to get the company where it is. They are still optimistic enough to believe that it might still be worth staying around to be rewarded for their labours and see the job through. Who can blame them?
Other, just as professional (including some VERY experienced), crew have reached their own cut-off point and gone elsewhere.
The fact that management refuse to acknowledge their efforts in a meaningful way speaks more about Netjets attitude toward their workforce than the professionalism of falconbis and the other long term employees who have worked the hardest to build the company up.
Before criticising these people for letting off steam in public give them some thought. They see years of hard work, compromise and favours being pissed down the drain. Who can blame them for raising the alarm in the hope that it might bring management to their senses and prevent would-be colleagues from being sucked in?
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How do you know what is BS here and what is not?
My point is, people are always moaning about being messed around, go get another job. It is aviation, it means travelling and it means being flexible, and thank you erikv, you said it spot on. I have yet to meet more than 2 pilots from netjets who aren't happy there, and I speak to maybe 15 a month. I know what my outside opinion is.
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Fine potatoewings, you are entitelied to your oppinion. But to anyone reading this I would make say this.
Potatoewings is given the sensored version by the crew he speaks to. Why would they tell him what they realy think when they now what will happen to them if there talk is repported back to Lisbon?
Read the coments in here, the ones made by crew who have been in the company a long time. Not the people on the outside who like to think they know what goes on. They are not the ones who get screwed aroun every day, now have to fight for a desent deal and ask yourself who are these mistry people who say they now so many happy pilots. How do they now how good it is to put up with the BS IF THEY DO NOT WORK FOR THE COMPANY? Maybe they do but do not want you to now that?
If the company and deal are so good how come out of 18 on the indoc in January only 5 show up? How come so many are leaving? The good guys, the experience ones, the training captains? Sure potatoewings, they leave because it is all so good.
Potatoewings is given the sensored version by the crew he speaks to. Why would they tell him what they realy think when they now what will happen to them if there talk is repported back to Lisbon?
Read the coments in here, the ones made by crew who have been in the company a long time. Not the people on the outside who like to think they know what goes on. They are not the ones who get screwed aroun every day, now have to fight for a desent deal and ask yourself who are these mistry people who say they now so many happy pilots. How do they now how good it is to put up with the BS IF THEY DO NOT WORK FOR THE COMPANY? Maybe they do but do not want you to now that?
If the company and deal are so good how come out of 18 on the indoc in January only 5 show up? How come so many are leaving? The good guys, the experience ones, the training captains? Sure potatoewings, they leave because it is all so good.
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Fair enough.....
But remember ,the grass is always greener on the other side. You know why...Because the **** that lies underneath the surface!
I have been studying and looking into most deals in Europe, I have spoken with lots and lots of colleagues, I did my homework!
And although I agree that the NJE still could use some improvement, especially on the plan to create a loyal and long staying workforce, I have to admit that the NJE deal is hard to beat when you take into account the whole deal, including lifestyle!
EZ pays more, ok, but you fly your butt of the whole year and you do not get to choose where you live! And if you do not fly...no pay!
Ryanair same deal. After 5 years you are litterally dead!
The big airlines: so well protected that if you do not have the right nationality/experinece ( not too much either) you dont stand a chance.
Charters: hahahha
etc....
I work for a big Middle eastern carrier.
we fly 900hrs/year
we do not have LOL ( nothing worth mensioning anyway)
we do not have social security
we do not have a pension plan
we do not profit sharing
our salaries are frozen in time as well
we are 8 hours away from europe
No confirmed tickets home
You live in a tax free country.....yeah right! All taxes are hidden: Rents are triple compared to europe, supermarket prices are double, inflation is 13% annually...
But hey....salaries are higher ( capt 11000euro/month) and we have 45 days of holliday! Oh, and I forgot, you fly new shiny heavy airbusses!
I guarantee you, if you do your calculation correctly NJE is certainly not the worst deal around...not by far!
So once more, I know there is room for improvement but I have made my choice....I am joining and I will be in the INDOC soon!
One thing not to forget as well...as mentioned before...pilots have BIIIGGG EGOS! So a lot of people consider them a true pilot only when flying a big jet...Maybe thats a reason as well why NJE is struggling to find the pilots required...
Just my 5 cents...
But remember ,the grass is always greener on the other side. You know why...Because the **** that lies underneath the surface!
I have been studying and looking into most deals in Europe, I have spoken with lots and lots of colleagues, I did my homework!
And although I agree that the NJE still could use some improvement, especially on the plan to create a loyal and long staying workforce, I have to admit that the NJE deal is hard to beat when you take into account the whole deal, including lifestyle!
EZ pays more, ok, but you fly your butt of the whole year and you do not get to choose where you live! And if you do not fly...no pay!
Ryanair same deal. After 5 years you are litterally dead!
The big airlines: so well protected that if you do not have the right nationality/experinece ( not too much either) you dont stand a chance.
Charters: hahahha
etc....
I work for a big Middle eastern carrier.
we fly 900hrs/year
we do not have LOL ( nothing worth mensioning anyway)
we do not have social security
we do not have a pension plan
we do not profit sharing
our salaries are frozen in time as well
we are 8 hours away from europe
No confirmed tickets home
You live in a tax free country.....yeah right! All taxes are hidden: Rents are triple compared to europe, supermarket prices are double, inflation is 13% annually...
But hey....salaries are higher ( capt 11000euro/month) and we have 45 days of holliday! Oh, and I forgot, you fly new shiny heavy airbusses!
I guarantee you, if you do your calculation correctly NJE is certainly not the worst deal around...not by far!
So once more, I know there is room for improvement but I have made my choice....I am joining and I will be in the INDOC soon!
One thing not to forget as well...as mentioned before...pilots have BIIIGGG EGOS! So a lot of people consider them a true pilot only when flying a big jet...Maybe thats a reason as well why NJE is struggling to find the pilots required...
Just my 5 cents...
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Interesting that they just might have made a little mistake. I will give them a call and see what the response is. I would have thought that they would at least want to have a chat...
...more to come!
...more to come!
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like many others i m leaving, i was waiting for the seniotity bonus to see, i had several interview and more are coming in the next few months, i just wait for the best offer and decide camly without rushing on the first offer...thank you for your inquiry and your advise....i m mature enought to know what is best for me and i don t take decision base on emotions, Netjets need about 20% more to be a great company but those 20%missing for experience captains are significant as the demand is very hight on experienced pilots, it make all the difference ! my comments are not agressive but just the reallity, its infortunate if that disturb you...sorry but licking ass in not part of my culture.
like many others i m leaving, i was waiting for the seniotity bonus to see, i had several interview and more are coming in the next few months, i just wait for the best offer and decide camly without rushing on the first offer...thank you for your inquiry and your advise....i m mature enought to know what is best for me and i don t take decision base on emotions, Netjets need about 20% more to be a great company but those 20%missing for experience captains are significant as the demand is very hight on experienced pilots, it make all the difference ! my comments are not agressive but just the reallity, its infortunate if that disturb you...sorry but licking ass in not part of my culture.
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To join netsjets or not....
I very much like 'difrips' points.
I've seniority and lots of time on B75 and 76 so the decision to go is not so straight forward.
life over the hedge. The grass is a different shade of green, if you inspect closer it is likely there will be
. Lifestyle is the important bit, it only comes around once.
falconbis, how does the NetJets pay /tax work out in France??
I very much like 'difrips' points.
I've seniority and lots of time on B75 and 76 so the decision to go is not so straight forward.
life over the hedge. The grass is a different shade of green, if you inspect closer it is likely there will be
. Lifestyle is the important bit, it only comes around once.falconbis, how does the NetJets pay /tax work out in France??
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I used to work for nje and really enjoyed it and would have stayed if it had not been for personal lifestyle problems that could not be resolved. The flying is great fun and the people i worked with were great. so to all of you thinking of joining go for it but make sure you go in with eyes wide open. I have been out a couple of years but if my personal circumstances changed i would go back in a heartbeat. (if they would take me-experienced captain etc) if you want a job that requires a lot of thinking on your feet and massive variety that i can only compare to military flying and you really get to FLY aeroplanes, unlike airlines who IMHO only operate them, then this is the way forward.
rgds to all in nje.
rgds to all in nje.
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If people complain anomynous, it is often for a good reason, they fear represailles. What comes out is the tip of the iceberg, Netjets spends millions on advertisement to spread the pink picture of the ideal world. Newbees giving their opinion on pprune do not have the slightest idea what is really going on. Let them fly for 4 years and then see how they talk.Remenber that they only changed a few things when to many were leaving, not because they love us so much. You decide for yourself, but me and many other linetrainers have left because they keep on messing you around till you give in(which means skip the regulations) or leave. You have to be able to accept that they are going to put you in that position. Can you do that? do not care to much about regulations and are willing to break them? Then join, but do not complain later when you feel uneasy.Many young pilots joining are unfortunately pulled into this "lifestyle" of rule breaking and think it is normal and they even feel proud "they made it in".
The wiser folks are leaving or stay until they have their preferred job. I left, to captain a regional airline and the life quality has increased dramatically.
And mr flying for the middle east carrier, you fly 900 hrs with longrange ops. But Netjets flies MAX DUTY every tour(and even more because they do not count positiong as duty?!) so you are very tired indeed after every tour. Long days, 5 legs a day, minimum turnarounds.
Yes you live where you want but cannot enjoy it as you are dead tired.
The wiser folks are leaving or stay until they have their preferred job. I left, to captain a regional airline and the life quality has increased dramatically.
And mr flying for the middle east carrier, you fly 900 hrs with longrange ops. But Netjets flies MAX DUTY every tour(and even more because they do not count positiong as duty?!) so you are very tired indeed after every tour. Long days, 5 legs a day, minimum turnarounds.
Yes you live where you want but cannot enjoy it as you are dead tired.
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Tax and NI at NetJets
Could someone explain the tax and National Insurance situation with NetJets for someone living in the UK. Also if that person then moved to France what would be the situation then.
Which is the best (or most tax freindly) country to work from when working for NetJets ?
Taking into consideration all lifestyle choices, which would be the country ?
Thanks, in anticipation
Which is the best (or most tax freindly) country to work from when working for NetJets ?
Taking into consideration all lifestyle choices, which would be the country ?
Thanks, in anticipation
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If the company and deal are so good how come out of 18 on the indoc in January only 5 show up? How come so many are leaving? The good guys, the experience ones, the training captains? Sure potatoewings, they leave because it is all so good.
Why not drop a line to Tag who have been advertising recently, what's your excuse now, you can't leave because of...
We don't want to hear it! Maybe your gateway suits you, or whatever your excuse is, but please don't slate me and my opinion when I express my experience.
You discount my outside views of the company based on pilots being scared of Lisbon, well not only do I meet people who are not friends, but I also have several close friends who I have known for years who are in the company, and they are very very happy.
You are so militant, maybe no one else should hire you even if you had the guts to leave.
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Like I say before M. Potatowings who would I belief if on the outside?
You who claim to be outside but have freinds inside?
Or people who are inside and know the truth?
Maybe you live in Lisboa? That would make sense of your posts, no?
Otherwise why not leave the conversaton to those who know for sure?
When you have investe years of your life in a company I will listen and maybe take your advise. Until then it is worth as much as the guy who serves me my espresso.
And don forget the sugar this time
You who claim to be outside but have freinds inside?
Or people who are inside and know the truth?
Maybe you live in Lisboa? That would make sense of your posts, no?
Otherwise why not leave the conversaton to those who know for sure?
When you have investe years of your life in a company I will listen and maybe take your advise. Until then it is worth as much as the guy who serves me my espresso.
And don forget the sugar this time
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Potatowings:
It is true that often there is alot of nagging and negativity about NJE. I am also shure that you have friends that are very happy here. Lots of people are, specially the British. They are the only ones that have seen their pay increrase!
Do you also know that:
- In the last 9 years there have been 5 different managers in Lisbon?
-That 6-7 years ago there were F.O's on 33000 euros a year, and Captains on 46000 euros?
- That when the London office was opened and NJE was forced to bring the UK crew onshore, these crew were payed 15% more salary than the rest of crew( + national insurance). The rest weren't getting any of these "extras".
That there have been many cases of people having PRIVATE deals. ie more money! Now that some people will have to pay more than British, will we get extra? NO!!!
- That with the new contract, alot of people will pay considerably more taxes than they should... Because NJE insists that non UK, crew have to pay 25% non resident taxes in Portugal, plus then whatever their own countries add on. This is a problem for many crews because of double taxation and lost deductions, when there are perfectly legal ways to avoid this Portuguese "revolutionary tax". Net Jets wont have anything to do with that though. I wonder why? If this is a must pay tax ( which lawyers in several countries have already said it is just a CONVINIENT interpretation of the law) why haven't we paid it in the past? I wonder whose interests are being met here?
- That some people after 2 years in the company are already on the Falcon or Gulfstream while others have been around for 5(good pilots) and they aren't? There are cases of people joining in the Falcon 2000, spendind a year there, then Capt on the Hawker 800 for minimum time, then Falcon 2000EX. 3 years 3 types. ( as seen on the company magazine). Yet other peole are stuffed. The rules change constantly!
- No senority. Again, it just depends!
- No pay for senority, except for 2% per year. Now they have a profit share(which is different), but quite a few people with 4-5-6 years in the company will get nothing because of the way its been designed!
- Contract conditions changed unilaterally. 6 on 5 off to 18 days month.
- Etc. Believe me I could add more, but I think you catch my drift!
So, for people joining now, at 56000 euros F.O. or 95000 Cpt, things could definetly be worse! Could definetely be better! They were talking about benchmarking with EasyJet and they fell WAY SHORT! Shure its easy to gripe, and shure there are good things, but it can be very FRUSTRATING!!!
Im not having a go at you, but its all too easy to say " if you don't like it, leave, there are plenty of jobs out there". Some people have invested years, and besides, what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. Net Jets needs to start behaving like a serious company in many ways!
LOTS of GOOD pilots have quit in the last couple of years, hopefully they can start getting it right!
It is true that often there is alot of nagging and negativity about NJE. I am also shure that you have friends that are very happy here. Lots of people are, specially the British. They are the only ones that have seen their pay increrase!
Do you also know that:
- In the last 9 years there have been 5 different managers in Lisbon?
-That 6-7 years ago there were F.O's on 33000 euros a year, and Captains on 46000 euros?
- That when the London office was opened and NJE was forced to bring the UK crew onshore, these crew were payed 15% more salary than the rest of crew( + national insurance). The rest weren't getting any of these "extras".
That there have been many cases of people having PRIVATE deals. ie more money! Now that some people will have to pay more than British, will we get extra? NO!!!
- That with the new contract, alot of people will pay considerably more taxes than they should... Because NJE insists that non UK, crew have to pay 25% non resident taxes in Portugal, plus then whatever their own countries add on. This is a problem for many crews because of double taxation and lost deductions, when there are perfectly legal ways to avoid this Portuguese "revolutionary tax". Net Jets wont have anything to do with that though. I wonder why? If this is a must pay tax ( which lawyers in several countries have already said it is just a CONVINIENT interpretation of the law) why haven't we paid it in the past? I wonder whose interests are being met here?
- That some people after 2 years in the company are already on the Falcon or Gulfstream while others have been around for 5(good pilots) and they aren't? There are cases of people joining in the Falcon 2000, spendind a year there, then Capt on the Hawker 800 for minimum time, then Falcon 2000EX. 3 years 3 types. ( as seen on the company magazine). Yet other peole are stuffed. The rules change constantly!
- No senority. Again, it just depends!
- No pay for senority, except for 2% per year. Now they have a profit share(which is different), but quite a few people with 4-5-6 years in the company will get nothing because of the way its been designed!
- Contract conditions changed unilaterally. 6 on 5 off to 18 days month.
- Etc. Believe me I could add more, but I think you catch my drift!
So, for people joining now, at 56000 euros F.O. or 95000 Cpt, things could definetly be worse! Could definetely be better! They were talking about benchmarking with EasyJet and they fell WAY SHORT! Shure its easy to gripe, and shure there are good things, but it can be very FRUSTRATING!!!
Im not having a go at you, but its all too easy to say " if you don't like it, leave, there are plenty of jobs out there". Some people have invested years, and besides, what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. Net Jets needs to start behaving like a serious company in many ways!
LOTS of GOOD pilots have quit in the last couple of years, hopefully they can start getting it right!
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Pay deal?
I would be delighted if somebody would tell me what the "take-home" salary is like under the new deal for new F/Os (as there are no DECs).
Am I right in my assuptions that you have 56500Euros basic of which you pay 25% tax to Portugal and 8% of the remaining in NI to the UK? - (Should work out to be about 30% of the total)
- Then you have the option to say yes to be potentially rostered another 6 day a year for 4200 Euros that will be added to your basics? Are the extra 4200 taxed the same?
- And then 70 Euros per diem per day with no tax? How many days per diems do you usually get?
Is breakfast normaly included in your hotacs? Do you get crewmeals onboard?
Thanks again!
Am I right in my assuptions that you have 56500Euros basic of which you pay 25% tax to Portugal and 8% of the remaining in NI to the UK? - (Should work out to be about 30% of the total)
- Then you have the option to say yes to be potentially rostered another 6 day a year for 4200 Euros that will be added to your basics? Are the extra 4200 taxed the same?
- And then 70 Euros per diem per day with no tax? How many days per diems do you usually get?
Is breakfast normaly included in your hotacs? Do you get crewmeals onboard?
Thanks again!
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Hawker pilot,
There is no long range ops in the middle east. No matter the type you are on, you will fly a mixture of routes. Short hops and the 14h flights!
I just came back from a 15hrs turn around flight on the famous CAP372 split duty regulations!
We pair flights like Gulf-KIX-Gulf (min rest)-LHR(min rest)-Gulf
Or a BAH turnaround after coming back from LHR
I did a MNL flight with total duty of 18hrs ( 3 man crew). 3 hrs discretion plus 2 extra hours by special exception of the CAA!
Our whole route structure is EAST-WEST.....No limitations on number of time zones crossed.
On the A330 , no rest compartment provided...we take rest in row 52 next to the toilets in economy class!
So dont complain and say I have no idea about MAX DUTY Days!
As far as braking the rules go....We own the CAA in this country so we brake rules on a daily bases e.g. the extra discretion as mentioned above!
Tech logs are changed so the airplanes can fly, maintenance gets postponed due to lack of manpower!
Captains are FORCED against all regulations (international as well as national) to get the flight going! If needed, the CEO of the Cie himself will come on board and threaten to fire you if you dont get airborn within 5 mins!
We fly CAT IIIB approaches although we are only CAT IIIA approved! Company orders!
And I can go on and on.....
But sorry mate...Dont you pretend that only NJE makes you brake the rules from time to time! Dont pretend you are the only pilots being tired or doing max duty! This is aviation right now!
And thats regretabble, I agree, but we (the pilots) let it come this far!
And if I have to do that, Id rather do it when being able to live in my country, where I know my wife and kids are safe and where I can go to the pub and have a beer whenever I want!
I can understand your grievances, do not get me wrong on that! But hey, the perfect job DOES NOT exist anymore.
And for me personally, NJE comes pretty close to what I want!
There is no long range ops in the middle east. No matter the type you are on, you will fly a mixture of routes. Short hops and the 14h flights!
I just came back from a 15hrs turn around flight on the famous CAP372 split duty regulations!
We pair flights like Gulf-KIX-Gulf (min rest)-LHR(min rest)-Gulf
Or a BAH turnaround after coming back from LHR
I did a MNL flight with total duty of 18hrs ( 3 man crew). 3 hrs discretion plus 2 extra hours by special exception of the CAA!
Our whole route structure is EAST-WEST.....No limitations on number of time zones crossed.
On the A330 , no rest compartment provided...we take rest in row 52 next to the toilets in economy class!
So dont complain and say I have no idea about MAX DUTY Days!
As far as braking the rules go....We own the CAA in this country so we brake rules on a daily bases e.g. the extra discretion as mentioned above!
Tech logs are changed so the airplanes can fly, maintenance gets postponed due to lack of manpower!
Captains are FORCED against all regulations (international as well as national) to get the flight going! If needed, the CEO of the Cie himself will come on board and threaten to fire you if you dont get airborn within 5 mins!
We fly CAT IIIB approaches although we are only CAT IIIA approved! Company orders!
And I can go on and on.....
But sorry mate...Dont you pretend that only NJE makes you brake the rules from time to time! Dont pretend you are the only pilots being tired or doing max duty! This is aviation right now!
And thats regretabble, I agree, but we (the pilots) let it come this far!
And if I have to do that, Id rather do it when being able to live in my country, where I know my wife and kids are safe and where I can go to the pub and have a beer whenever I want!
I can understand your grievances, do not get me wrong on that! But hey, the perfect job DOES NOT exist anymore.
And for me personally, NJE comes pretty close to what I want!
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At no point did Hawkerpilot say Netjets was the only company acting the way they do.
If the offered deal (be prepared for it to change without warning or consultation) suits you that's great. I'm happy for you. No need to be so defensive. All Hawkerpilot was doing was sharing knowledge. If anyone takes their (NJE) shilling and gets shafted the same way many others have in the past they can hardly claim they were not told.
At no point did Hawkerpilot say Netjets was the only company acting the way they do.
If the offered deal (be prepared for it to change without warning or consultation) suits you that's great. I'm happy for you. No need to be so defensive. All Hawkerpilot was doing was sharing knowledge. If anyone takes their (NJE) shilling and gets shafted the same way many others have in the past they can hardly claim they were not told.