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As a current member of staff at Gama, I feel I have to answer some of the criticisms
The CAA have just conducted their first routine audit since the start of the new ambulance contract, during which they looked at the rostering at GLA & ABZ, and raised no concerns. Incidentally, no pilots at GLA or ABZ have raised any problems with rostering through the company's internal quality system.
The CAA have just conducted their first routine audit since the start of the new ambulance contract, during which they looked at the rostering at GLA & ABZ, and raised no concerns. Incidentally, no pilots at GLA or ABZ have raised any problems with rostering through the company's internal quality system.
Raised no concerns ?
Rostering ?
Internal quality ?
No pilots at GLA or ABZ raising no concerns ?
Why don't you start listening to the crews ata GLA and ABZ instead of hogwash from elsewhere ?
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If only these wonderfully talented business managers had not become pilots all the aviation industries problems would have been solved by now. All pilots would only work when they felt like it and for that they would be paid large sums,plus have 7 virgins at there call if they ever felt the need.
it high time these fools woke up and smelt the coffee no flying job is ever perfect,some are worse than others. However if you sign up to an air ambulance service surely you'd expect a degree of disruption as even the NHS's new supper computor can predict when people are going to be in need of a life saving flight?
ATPL's must have got a lot easier as the number of muppets coming through the systems is on the increase!
it high time these fools woke up and smelt the coffee no flying job is ever perfect,some are worse than others. However if you sign up to an air ambulance service surely you'd expect a degree of disruption as even the NHS's new supper computor can predict when people are going to be in need of a life saving flight?
ATPL's must have got a lot easier as the number of muppets coming through the systems is on the increase!
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If the so-called managers made half an effort at rostering people properly in all these ****ty companies they wouldn't have half the problems they do!
It's not rocket science! I'm sick of apologists like you giving people a hard time about wanting the ability to plan a life outside their work.
So what if it's an ambulance operation,that should make no difference in the vast majority of situations.
If we 'muppets' operated to the same standards that many managers set and you defend, we'd all be dead!
If the so-called managers made half an effort at rostering people properly in all these ****ty companies they wouldn't have half the problems they do!
It's not rocket science! I'm sick of apologists like you giving people a hard time about wanting the ability to plan a life outside their work.
So what if it's an ambulance operation,that should make no difference in the vast majority of situations.
If we 'muppets' operated to the same standards that many managers set and you defend, we'd all be dead!
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Have to agree with you Stan, many people that get themselves into management positions are well below standered. Our past mutual employer is a shining example of this as we both well know!
However what gets to me is the number of pilots that are prepared to sit and slagg off others with out having any clear or sensible ideas themselves. As you well know I have never been backwards about coming forward directly to the manager concerned and voicing my opinions only to look over my shoulder and see the rest of the pilots retreating.
I guess what I'm trying to say is if you think you can do a better job then stand up and be counted, if you have ideas make them heard to the people that are able to make a differance instead of bitching annonomusly on this forum. I agree that we all need a bitch to get things out of our system from time to time but there are some that never post anything positive!
I'm not against pilots in any way I just get fed up of those that moan and never have the courage of their convictions!
ps. stan check your pm's
However what gets to me is the number of pilots that are prepared to sit and slagg off others with out having any clear or sensible ideas themselves. As you well know I have never been backwards about coming forward directly to the manager concerned and voicing my opinions only to look over my shoulder and see the rest of the pilots retreating.
I guess what I'm trying to say is if you think you can do a better job then stand up and be counted, if you have ideas make them heard to the people that are able to make a differance instead of bitching annonomusly on this forum. I agree that we all need a bitch to get things out of our system from time to time but there are some that never post anything positive!
I'm not against pilots in any way I just get fed up of those that moan and never have the courage of their convictions!
ps. stan check your pm's
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If only these wonderfully talented business managers had not become pilots all the aviation industries problems would have been solved by now. All pilots would only work when they felt like it and for that they would be paid large sums,plus have 7 virgins at there call if they ever felt the need.
it high time these fools woke up and smelt the coffee no flying job is ever perfect,some are worse than others. However if you sign up to an air ambulance service surely you'd expect a degree of disruption as even the NHS's new supper computor can predict when people are going to be in need of a life saving flight?
ATPL's must have got a lot easier as the number of muppets coming through the systems is on the increase!
it high time these fools woke up and smelt the coffee no flying job is ever perfect,some are worse than others. However if you sign up to an air ambulance service surely you'd expect a degree of disruption as even the NHS's new supper computor can predict when people are going to be in need of a life saving flight?
ATPL's must have got a lot easier as the number of muppets coming through the systems is on the increase!
I hope you can fly better than you can spell.....! What school did you go to and what is a ''supper computor'' ....does it make the dinner ?
God your post is as hilarious regarding content as it is laughing at your spelling!
Obviously you know nothing about the Air Ambulance Service so don't even go there and I think its you who is the 'muppet' my friend.
He,He,He'
Sorry can't stop laughing.
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If the so-called managers made half an effort at rostering people properly in all these ****ty companies they wouldn't have half the problems they do!
It's not rocket science! I'm sick of apologists like you giving people a hard time about wanting the ability to plan a life outside their work.
So what if it's an ambulance operation,that should make no difference in the vast majority of situations.
If we 'muppets' operated to the same standards that many managers set and you defend, we'd all be dead!
If the so-called managers made half an effort at rostering people properly in all these ****ty companies they wouldn't have half the problems they do!
It's not rocket science! I'm sick of apologists like you giving people a hard time about wanting the ability to plan a life outside their work.
So what if it's an ambulance operation,that should make no difference in the vast majority of situations.
If we 'muppets' operated to the same standards that many managers set and you defend, we'd all be dead!
Very well put by the way !!!
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the truth is out there
It was me who said that Gama was frightening and dangerous.
It was me who read on this post, from other people, what a wonderful place Gama is.
There must be 2 Gamas in Scotland.
The Glasgow operation started on 1st April. This is now 7½ months later.
When new people started at the Scottish bases, did they receive a H&S induction course?
When new people started at the Scottish bases, did they receive a copy of maintenance procedures? No need - everybody knows - crystal ball supplied at the front door!
What manitenance procedures are there for the King Air? Yes, I'm asking, what maintenance procedures are there at all for the King Air? Do they take into account the individuality of the GLA and ABZ bases?
Has Gama amended the CAMMOE to show GLA and ABZ?
Is 7½ months not enough time for our outstanding management to generate these procedures ?
There are 3 engineers at ABZ and zero at GLA. Who carries out unscheduled manitenance at GLA? Who signs off the Tech Log? Pardon? Are you sure? Are you absolutely sure?
Who carries out the daily fuel check, and tops up the O2 and N2? What authorised calibrated tools are used? Is THAT recorded on the Tech Log? Ditto.
Who adds oil to the engines? Pardon? The flight crew? Is that legal? Are you sure? Have the flight crew been issued with company authorisations to do so? Is the oil recorded on the Tech Log? Ditto.
The MD - MK in Far generates the monthly rosters. How much notice does he give the crews of the new rostas as each month ends? Does he do it 2 weeks in advance, 2 days in advance or 2 minutes in advance? How easy is it to get him to return your contact mesages? What is his reaction when you complain? Why are all the GLA crews leaving?
Crews are pressurised by management into working their rest days. Ask any of them. Ask MK and SW in Far how they reacted when the sheep rebelled. Nice place to work is it?
The GLA base has no hangar - BK parked on the apron. After 7½ months and now into November, what arrangement has management made for de-icing? Is there a contract in place?
4th Sept entry from Lobanski - I'm "Another moron talking out of place....." Another Moron?
One of us is. How much experience of morons does Lobanski have and how did he get it?
8th Sept entry from Grimsdale about the CAA audit - that makes everything OK and what I've just said must be absolute tosh!
Can't hear you Lobanski and Grimsdale - you've gone very quiet! Go on - belittle me - I dare you.
It was me who read on this post, from other people, what a wonderful place Gama is.
There must be 2 Gamas in Scotland.
The Glasgow operation started on 1st April. This is now 7½ months later.
When new people started at the Scottish bases, did they receive a H&S induction course?
When new people started at the Scottish bases, did they receive a copy of maintenance procedures? No need - everybody knows - crystal ball supplied at the front door!
What manitenance procedures are there for the King Air? Yes, I'm asking, what maintenance procedures are there at all for the King Air? Do they take into account the individuality of the GLA and ABZ bases?
Has Gama amended the CAMMOE to show GLA and ABZ?
Is 7½ months not enough time for our outstanding management to generate these procedures ?
There are 3 engineers at ABZ and zero at GLA. Who carries out unscheduled manitenance at GLA? Who signs off the Tech Log? Pardon? Are you sure? Are you absolutely sure?
Who carries out the daily fuel check, and tops up the O2 and N2? What authorised calibrated tools are used? Is THAT recorded on the Tech Log? Ditto.
Who adds oil to the engines? Pardon? The flight crew? Is that legal? Are you sure? Have the flight crew been issued with company authorisations to do so? Is the oil recorded on the Tech Log? Ditto.
The MD - MK in Far generates the monthly rosters. How much notice does he give the crews of the new rostas as each month ends? Does he do it 2 weeks in advance, 2 days in advance or 2 minutes in advance? How easy is it to get him to return your contact mesages? What is his reaction when you complain? Why are all the GLA crews leaving?
Crews are pressurised by management into working their rest days. Ask any of them. Ask MK and SW in Far how they reacted when the sheep rebelled. Nice place to work is it?
The GLA base has no hangar - BK parked on the apron. After 7½ months and now into November, what arrangement has management made for de-icing? Is there a contract in place?
4th Sept entry from Lobanski - I'm "Another moron talking out of place....." Another Moron?
One of us is. How much experience of morons does Lobanski have and how did he get it?
8th Sept entry from Grimsdale about the CAA audit - that makes everything OK and what I've just said must be absolute tosh!
Can't hear you Lobanski and Grimsdale - you've gone very quiet! Go on - belittle me - I dare you.
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grovelling apology
Having already been accused of being a Moron, I am now accused of negativity!
I really must apologise to legsupLucy! Obviously I am confusing negativity with warning my professional colleagues of a frightening and dangerous situation and company.
As I obviously have difficulty in grasping fundamentals, I confess that I am struggling with Legsuplucy's question about what it's like to work for this company! One of us is missing something!
I'd like to say - read between the lines!
Instead please permit be to be slightly more blunt - simply read back! Carry out a statistical analysis of how many people say Gama is a great place to work, and compare that against how many people say the opposite! How many people are leaving? Pardon? All of them?
How would you like to fly a Beech King in Scotland that has received very dubious, illegal and unrecorded manitenance, that is parked in the open as we come into winter, and that does not receive proper, recorded de-icing, particlarly on it's high tail plane, as there are no trestles, platforms, bone-fide contracts, maintenance procedures or trained personnell.
LegsUpLucy - I capitluate! They're a great crowd to work for
. Get your CV in quick - they're recruiting right now!
I really must apologise to legsupLucy! Obviously I am confusing negativity with warning my professional colleagues of a frightening and dangerous situation and company.
As I obviously have difficulty in grasping fundamentals, I confess that I am struggling with Legsuplucy's question about what it's like to work for this company! One of us is missing something!
I'd like to say - read between the lines!
Instead please permit be to be slightly more blunt - simply read back! Carry out a statistical analysis of how many people say Gama is a great place to work, and compare that against how many people say the opposite! How many people are leaving? Pardon? All of them?
How would you like to fly a Beech King in Scotland that has received very dubious, illegal and unrecorded manitenance, that is parked in the open as we come into winter, and that does not receive proper, recorded de-icing, particlarly on it's high tail plane, as there are no trestles, platforms, bone-fide contracts, maintenance procedures or trained personnell.
LegsUpLucy - I capitluate! They're a great crowd to work for
. Get your CV in quick - they're recruiting right now!
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Alright,keep your hair on,jesus...............
If you are at Gama,i really hope i dont come across you because i've had my fill of people like you in the airlines for the last 10years.
Very informative.
If you are at Gama,i really hope i dont come across you because i've had my fill of people like you in the airlines for the last 10years.
Very informative.
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It was me who said that Gama was frightening and dangerous.
It was me who read on this post, from other people, what a wonderful place Gama is.
There must be 2 Gamas in Scotland.
The Glasgow operation started on 1st April. This is now 7½ months later.
When new people started at the Scottish bases, did they receive a H&S induction course?
When new people started at the Scottish bases, did they receive a copy of maintenance procedures? No need - everybody knows - crystal ball supplied at the front door!
What manitenance procedures are there for the King Air? Yes, I'm asking, what maintenance procedures are there at all for the King Air? Do they take into account the individuality of the GLA and ABZ bases?
Has Gama amended the CAMMOE to show GLA and ABZ?
Is 7½ months not enough time for our outstanding management to generate these procedures ?
There are 3 engineers at ABZ and zero at GLA. Who carries out unscheduled manitenance at GLA? Who signs off the Tech Log? Pardon? Are you sure? Are you absolutely sure?
Who carries out the daily fuel check, and tops up the O2 and N2? What authorised calibrated tools are used? Is THAT recorded on the Tech Log? Ditto.
Who adds oil to the engines? Pardon? The flight crew? Is that legal? Are you sure? Have the flight crew been issued with company authorisations to do so? Is the oil recorded on the Tech Log? Ditto.
The MD - MK in Far generates the monthly rosters. How much notice does he give the crews of the new rostas as each month ends? Does he do it 2 weeks in advance, 2 days in advance or 2 minutes in advance? How easy is it to get him to return your contact mesages? What is his reaction when you complain? Why are all the GLA crews leaving?
Crews are pressurised by management into working their rest days. Ask any of them. Ask MK and SW in Far how they reacted when the sheep rebelled. Nice place to work is it?
The GLA base has no hangar - BK parked on the apron. After 7½ months and now into November, what arrangement has management made for de-icing? Is there a contract in place?
4th Sept entry from Lobanski - I'm "Another moron talking out of place....." Another Moron?
One of us is. How much experience of morons does Lobanski have and how did he get it?
8th Sept entry from Grimsdale about the CAA audit - that makes everything OK and what I've just said must be absolute tosh!
Can't hear you Lobanski and Grimsdale - you've gone very quiet! Go on - belittle me - I dare you.
It was me who read on this post, from other people, what a wonderful place Gama is.
There must be 2 Gamas in Scotland.
The Glasgow operation started on 1st April. This is now 7½ months later.
When new people started at the Scottish bases, did they receive a H&S induction course?
When new people started at the Scottish bases, did they receive a copy of maintenance procedures? No need - everybody knows - crystal ball supplied at the front door!
What manitenance procedures are there for the King Air? Yes, I'm asking, what maintenance procedures are there at all for the King Air? Do they take into account the individuality of the GLA and ABZ bases?
Has Gama amended the CAMMOE to show GLA and ABZ?
Is 7½ months not enough time for our outstanding management to generate these procedures ?
There are 3 engineers at ABZ and zero at GLA. Who carries out unscheduled manitenance at GLA? Who signs off the Tech Log? Pardon? Are you sure? Are you absolutely sure?
Who carries out the daily fuel check, and tops up the O2 and N2? What authorised calibrated tools are used? Is THAT recorded on the Tech Log? Ditto.
Who adds oil to the engines? Pardon? The flight crew? Is that legal? Are you sure? Have the flight crew been issued with company authorisations to do so? Is the oil recorded on the Tech Log? Ditto.
The MD - MK in Far generates the monthly rosters. How much notice does he give the crews of the new rostas as each month ends? Does he do it 2 weeks in advance, 2 days in advance or 2 minutes in advance? How easy is it to get him to return your contact mesages? What is his reaction when you complain? Why are all the GLA crews leaving?
Crews are pressurised by management into working their rest days. Ask any of them. Ask MK and SW in Far how they reacted when the sheep rebelled. Nice place to work is it?
The GLA base has no hangar - BK parked on the apron. After 7½ months and now into November, what arrangement has management made for de-icing? Is there a contract in place?
4th Sept entry from Lobanski - I'm "Another moron talking out of place....." Another Moron?
One of us is. How much experience of morons does Lobanski have and how did he get it?
8th Sept entry from Grimsdale about the CAA audit - that makes everything OK and what I've just said must be absolute tosh!
Can't hear you Lobanski and Grimsdale - you've gone very quiet! Go on - belittle me - I dare you.
What i will say is this, as an employee of Gama i feel a sense of loyalty that is well placed. A good company that rewards its employees. It's all about attitudes and a pro-active approach.
Maybe you should try being a little more pro-active.
Hopefully you can now move forward and try to be a little more positive in your life.
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bad management and temper tantrums
I am grateful to CJBOy’s and his astute comments. He is quite correct, and that is what I did - I moved on after not liking what I saw.
Please permit me to try to end on a slightly more positive note. A lot of complaints have been voiced here about management. Before we can assess this, we have to define what management is. What do you manage? How do you manage?
I believe that management is the ability to plan activities in a logical and efficient manner, within the proper and defined parameters of the given process. A good manager will also be able to have a Plan B – still within these rules – if Plan A does not come to fruition. Furthermore, you have to manage people – who are all unique and who will be motivated by different means! That is what I believe management is throughout any sphere of industry.
If that definition is correct, then I saw very little evidence of management of any kind at Gama. I did see 2 privileged control freaks who owned the company – and who had their favourites – but I didn’t see management. An owner/director/business partner of a company is not necessarily a manager, let alone a good one.
Gama had a very good reputation for running one-off or a limited service executive business flights from Farnborough. Much of that reputation is deservedly so. For those who worked there and who did well – well done.
Up until now, Gama had no experience of running a scheduled service, from stations – one 400 miles away and the other 560 miles away. Out of sight is out of mind. It’s a different ball game – and Gama have no good management. It shows!
I’m not naïve. I know that the powers that be will be reading this. So will the Scottish Office! Stand well back and watch the control freaks hit the panic button! The issue of the Scottish Air Ambulance Service and it patients goes beyond bad management and disgruntled employees. The Scottish people deserve better and they ain’t getting it from Gama. The aviation industry is a wonderful livelihood and if Gama cannot deliver they should stand aside. Similarly, employees should move on because there are a lot of good aviation company's out there who do treat their employees and their customers well.
Please permit me one final point . . .
As you read back throughout this excellent and valuable internet forum, not many people have the distinction of having their whole piece cut and pasted in a tantrum – I’ve achieved that without trying, bad manners, name-calling or abuse! All I did was state irrefutable facts! I didn’t mean to upset anyone and if I have – I’m delighted! Nil illegitimi carborundi!
Please permit me to try to end on a slightly more positive note. A lot of complaints have been voiced here about management. Before we can assess this, we have to define what management is. What do you manage? How do you manage?
I believe that management is the ability to plan activities in a logical and efficient manner, within the proper and defined parameters of the given process. A good manager will also be able to have a Plan B – still within these rules – if Plan A does not come to fruition. Furthermore, you have to manage people – who are all unique and who will be motivated by different means! That is what I believe management is throughout any sphere of industry.
If that definition is correct, then I saw very little evidence of management of any kind at Gama. I did see 2 privileged control freaks who owned the company – and who had their favourites – but I didn’t see management. An owner/director/business partner of a company is not necessarily a manager, let alone a good one.
Gama had a very good reputation for running one-off or a limited service executive business flights from Farnborough. Much of that reputation is deservedly so. For those who worked there and who did well – well done.
Up until now, Gama had no experience of running a scheduled service, from stations – one 400 miles away and the other 560 miles away. Out of sight is out of mind. It’s a different ball game – and Gama have no good management. It shows!
I’m not naïve. I know that the powers that be will be reading this. So will the Scottish Office! Stand well back and watch the control freaks hit the panic button! The issue of the Scottish Air Ambulance Service and it patients goes beyond bad management and disgruntled employees. The Scottish people deserve better and they ain’t getting it from Gama. The aviation industry is a wonderful livelihood and if Gama cannot deliver they should stand aside. Similarly, employees should move on because there are a lot of good aviation company's out there who do treat their employees and their customers well.
Please permit me one final point . . .
As you read back throughout this excellent and valuable internet forum, not many people have the distinction of having their whole piece cut and pasted in a tantrum – I’ve achieved that without trying, bad manners, name-calling or abuse! All I did was state irrefutable facts! I didn’t mean to upset anyone and if I have – I’m delighted! Nil illegitimi carborundi!
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[quote=Dai Rear;2959709]Up until now, Gama had no experience of running a scheduled service, from stations – one 400 miles away and the other 560 miles away. Out of sight is out of mind. It’s a different ball game – and Gama have no good management. It shows!
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Dai Rear,
It seems you are big on definitions, so I would like to enlighten you:
Scheduled service: an air service operated on a regular basis by a carrier in accordance with a published timetable or with flights so regular or frequent that they constitute a recognisably systemic series.
Why don't you go to the library and brush up on your ignorance?
I'm in the 69 club!
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Dai Rear,
It seems you are big on definitions, so I would like to enlighten you:
Scheduled service: an air service operated on a regular basis by a carrier in accordance with a published timetable or with flights so regular or frequent that they constitute a recognisably systemic series.
Why don't you go to the library and brush up on your ignorance?
I'm in the 69 club!
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That is what is actually happening!
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Dai rear,
You obviously havn't been screwed around by experts try working for a low cost airline!
By the way management is there to make a business profitable not there to make unhappy people like you happy!
Try finding some happiness in your life and then go back into aviation with your rose coloured glasses removed. Aviation like any other business is there for profit if you can make money and have happy staff your doing very well indeed!
You obviously havn't been screwed around by experts try working for a low cost airline!
By the way management is there to make a business profitable not there to make unhappy people like you happy!
Try finding some happiness in your life and then go back into aviation with your rose coloured glasses removed. Aviation like any other business is there for profit if you can make money and have happy staff your doing very well indeed!
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Theory X, Theory Y, Theory Z
Everything that Unablereqnavperf (entry ~61) has said is correct and difficult to disagree with.
But the issues go further. When management are good at their job, the workforce is usually content and motivated. (William Ouchi – Theory Z). Most of us know many good aviation companies out there with efficient, profitable, happy and content workforces. In this particular case, and with the company in question – little of that applies at the base and none of it applies at the stations. At a public meeting in Kirkwall in April 2006, the MD of Gama (MK) stated from the platform that “Gama would provide an even better service.” They won the tender from the Scottish Parliament on that basis. So far, the irrefutable evidence has been to the contrary. Let MK come back and say that now. Gama has had to go back to the Scottish Office asking for more tax-payers money because they cannot get their sums right. So much for management being there to run the business profitably. Gama won the tender from another Scottish company who had run the service happily, profitably and efficiently for 35 years, with largely, a dedicated and consistent and committed workforce.
We all wish to work in aviation because we have a love for the industry. Many people in the industry frequently work on in their own time to get the job done. Not much evidence of that at Gama. In this day and age, it is not unreasonable for decent people to expect decent management.
One point where I do disagree with Unablereqnavperf (entry ~61) on. Although I haven't worked for a low cost airline, I have been shat on by experts – so this crowd have got no chance!
But the issues go further. When management are good at their job, the workforce is usually content and motivated. (William Ouchi – Theory Z). Most of us know many good aviation companies out there with efficient, profitable, happy and content workforces. In this particular case, and with the company in question – little of that applies at the base and none of it applies at the stations. At a public meeting in Kirkwall in April 2006, the MD of Gama (MK) stated from the platform that “Gama would provide an even better service.” They won the tender from the Scottish Parliament on that basis. So far, the irrefutable evidence has been to the contrary. Let MK come back and say that now. Gama has had to go back to the Scottish Office asking for more tax-payers money because they cannot get their sums right. So much for management being there to run the business profitably. Gama won the tender from another Scottish company who had run the service happily, profitably and efficiently for 35 years, with largely, a dedicated and consistent and committed workforce.
We all wish to work in aviation because we have a love for the industry. Many people in the industry frequently work on in their own time to get the job done. Not much evidence of that at Gama. In this day and age, it is not unreasonable for decent people to expect decent management.
One point where I do disagree with Unablereqnavperf (entry ~61) on. Although I haven't worked for a low cost airline, I have been shat on by experts – so this crowd have got no chance!