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[Smeagel]

mach2moose. A valid question. You say however that you've been treated well '"so far". With all companies there is a honeymoon period, I hope yours lasts longer than most.

Scroll Lock. No complaints. I manage to differentiate between colleagues and others. Never yet had anyone call in sick rather than fly with me

[trainer too 2]

Smeagel

having a good objective look

as well as

I post mainly in the negative about NJE (though not always)

Coming out of your mouth made my weekend! What a great joke you are.

Dear Smeagel could you please stop uthering outdated info on this forum.

[Smeagel]

Ah trainer, wondered when you would be along.

How outdated are resignations and the final arrival of the long promised new pay scale? Given that the latter has not actually happened but is imminent I'd say that was pretty up to date, wouldn't you?

[dogsbolx2]

Just a short message to Smeagel.

About six months ago I replied to one of numerous negative comments on Netjets.
I stated at the time I was new to the company and up till now had only experianced a good work pattern.

Of course I was quickly cut down for been new to the company and for not understanding the inner workings that go on behind the scenes.

Six months on and many tours later I have not changed my view that this so called Smeagal is talking through his/her rear end and his/her comments are not shaired by most Netjets Pilots.

I am certain that I will get another negative comment in reply to this, but like the better netjets pilots around me, we are fed up with comments been aired in PPRUNE that are far from the whole truth.

I am certain that people unconnected to the company see Smeagal for what he/her is a very sad person.

[26point2]

Thanks for all of your interaction,
i didnt mean to get things heated, just to pick up a hint or two about pay and conditions!!!
i did indeed want a balanced view from anyone who cared to speak up.

thanks for your comments Smeagel but its fair to say that you have been out voted on this occasion by Dogsbolx2, Trainertoo2, Scroll Lock and Mach2Moose and ofcourse Mike Jenvey. if any of you wish to make further comments, please do, i'd love to hear from you.

Thanks again, the C/V is in the post.. err.. e-mail!

26point2

[spaniel]

26 point 2,
been with NJE 3.5 years and I'd throw my hat into the Jenvey, Dogsbolx2, trainertoo2, Scroll Lock and Mach2Moose camp. Treated me well and fun varied flying!

spaniel

[Smeagel]

Six months on and many tours later I have not changed my view that this so called Smeagal is talking through his/her rear end and his/her comments are not shaired by most Netjets Pilots

Dogsbolx2. I'm happy for you, six whole months without any issues. Maybe things are improving? Like I said before the resignations may have paid dividends for the rest of you. Long may it continue.


26point2. Please do not feel that I am being patronising but consider the disclaimer on the home page..........

As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions.

NJE management closely monitor this forum. Why else are some people prepared to waive anonymity and react rabidly to any negative comments?

The "outdated information" to which someone referred is relevant . There are certain instances from the past which speak volumes about the low esteem in which NJE holds it's employees.

MJ is dismissive of the resignations over the last few months but I can assure you they (eventually) were a cause for concern in Lisbon and were fundamental in the bringing about of pay rises for some crew which had been promised for nigh on three years. This is a bit of a taboo subject among certain pro-NJE'ers as they will benefit financially from the scheme yet at the cost of their colleagues who left.

I have said before that the situation has improved but there have been episodes recently where crew have been treated badly. Pay being witheld is just one method of punishment for 'offenders' even though such punishment is written nowhere in any contract. No doubt this will be denied by someone on here but I can assure you this is true.

Note that none of my detractors ever disputes the facts of resignations, changes of terms and conditions without agreement etc choosing instead to accuse me of being nothing but negative (take another quick look at the disclaimer).

The accusation that I post only negative comments should give some hint as to the naivete of those making it. The same could be said about those who only ever do the opposite (see above, remember who else monitors this forum). Of course I only bring the bad news, that is what the Smeagel persona was created for! Had people not tried to gloss over or deny the less favourable aspects of the company 'Smeagel' need never have come about and should life ever become as perfect as MJ and others would have you believe 'Smeagel' will go away.

In the meantime use 'search', read the history and apply with your eyes open.

[south coast]

so does that mean that the truth is somewhere in between what you and mj say...

which, in my opinion probably equals not a bad job since that elusive perfect job does not exist.

i always believe that no one forces us to work for our employers...

[26point2]

Smeagel. thanks for giving the reason for your grumblings, i was going to ask what your alter ego Golum makes of it all!
my eyes are wide open and i'm happy to listen too.

i would like to know more about the aircraft and rostering, what fleets are short of crew? are you constantly being asked to fly with minimum fuel?, more to the point, minimum catering??!!!
Do you feel completely on your own down the line or do you have good engineering and ops back up everywhere you go?

Can pilots join straight in on the BBJ or G4 if type rated?

Thanks in advance,

26.2

[Smeagel]

so does that mean that the truth is somewhere in between what you and mj say...

In the past somewhere I said the flying was good, machinery nice, destinations varied etc. I've NEVER denied that. What I sought to do is highlight the unpleasantries as a counterbalance to those punting the 'warm and fuzzy' line.

Why? Because those who refuse to acknowledge the negatives are luring people in under false pretences. How would you feel if you made a major career change only to find that once inside the company your contract was pretty much worthless and the terms and conditions you had been promised are subject to alteration on a whim?

No company would be this dishonest? What about a company that until very recently was telling applicants and new hires (at a time when resignations were coming at the rate of about a dozen a month) that only seven pilots had ever resigned in its entire history?

On a sliding scale I'd say in terms of the work itself it's 8 out of 10 but dealings with management are............. somewhere over to the left of centre and in need of work. Signs of improvement but too early to tell.

Edited to say.....

26.2 Support down route is usually good coming from Maintenance, Ops etc although there are still episodes worthy of the Keystone Cops. Being in generous mood I'd attribute this to pressure applied to support staff from above rather than malice.

Catering is not an issue in terms of the company, you'll almost always get fed, although the suppliers in some of the more remote places can be pretty hopeless.

Fuel was NEVER an issue for me. I heard pepole tell of some 'optimistic planning' on longer flights but as far as I know whenever the crew raised valid objections these were addressed.

Roster has been done to death on here and is one of the areas that has been changed without discussion. Contracts issued now stipulate minimum 18 days a month on a 6/4 or 6/5 basis. This was one of the major gripes cited by those who resigned and the company say they are now trying to adhere to 6 on, 5 off. At least during the winter.

New hires usually start on the smaller cabin fleet. So far no direct entry to the G4/G5 although there have been some swift 'accelerations'. No BBJ's in Europe.

Hope this helps.

[@v8ter]

Hey guys and girls just wondering what are the chances of a newbie like myself with around 300hrs getting a FO position with Netjets….really don’t want to get tangled up in the likes of Ryanair or Easyjet (paying out another €30,000 just to get a foot in the door)
Any information or advice would be great…..

[Scroll Lock]

'Smeagel' will go away

Oh, you tease.

Light at the end of the tunnel, Chaps!!

[redsnail]

Aviator,
I am sorry to say that with 300 hours you have no chance being employed as a pilot with Netjets Europe. Minimum is 1500 hours with 500 hours multipilot time, in essence, a full JAR ATPL.

I know this seems harsh but that's the mins.

[tarjet fixated]

just to recap correct me if i am wrong:
-Cpt.'s 7000€/month gross flight pay included
-F/O's 5000€/month gross flight pay included
-6 on 5 off more or less stable
-private medical and pension
-based anywhere in EU close to an international hub (can start/finish at different base if organized in due time)
-quick upgrade for those suitably qualified and with previous LHS experience

couple more questions:
-overall atmosphere,professional level and people?
-chances and time before changing fleets (from the smaller jets to the longer range ones and therefore longhaul)?
-plans for the future?more a/c?

thanks for the info!

[bad T and C]

Trainer too 2,

Get with the plot , CM on pprune?

Guys, I have to agree with Smeagel, most of what he talks about is true, although he is a bit bitter.

10% of our pilots have resigned in the last few months. As a direct result of this the knee jerk reaction from the Dark Master is a pay rise! Do you think this will stop the flow of resignations? I don't think so.

What about loyalty and the good of the workforce, just look at the way SL has been treated(buy the way he has gone).Who was willing to help him when he was asked to report to the office with no biscuits? Things are "good" in Netjets until your have an issue, but don't expect any help from your management!

See u in the Courtyard!

Bad t and c

[Smeagel]

Shock! Horror! Surprise! Joke Jenvey disagrees with a negative comment against his professional bolt hole, NJE!

Seriously MJ, take a look at what you post. It's common knowledge that many have resigned yet you continue the naysaying. Likewise the points raised about terms and conditions. Just saying it ain't so does not make it go away, capische?

Any rational person would know that this sort of behaviour undermines their standing and credibility. Far from currying favour in Lisbon your behaviour here has the opposite effect. Every time you put out your warm and fuzzy spiel it provokes argument and puts NJE in a spotlight management would rather it didn't have.

You just don't get it, do you?

[bad T and C]

Nice one Smeagel!

Mike, sorry I was wrong it was 8.9% pilot resignations over the last few months! Please feel free to correct me if you have a more accurate figure!

[natops]

is it just me if I say I feel a bit TENSION here?

Of course people leave NJE, but doesn´t it happen in most places?
Arent we all looking to improve our position if possible, whatever reason we have to leave?
I can tell you I like the flying with NJE, but I am still looking around and I might move on in the near future...who knows.



D.

[Smeagel]

Not so much 'tension' as incredulity.

[Formally Known As]

Some of the biggest grovels and brown nosing I have ever seen appears on the topics regarding the mentioned company.

The posters are not completely to blame of course, as a few are obviously ex public servants and programmed for total allegiance and to complete the mission at all costs.

This sort of blind obedience is not really applicable in the real world. The company will drop you guys real quick, should you become surplus to requirements. Have no doubts about that.