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@FKA: maybe its a matter of perspective? When you work at places like the ones I did, NJE Roster and pay and A/C´s become a dream. Beeing dropped when not required anymore is a cruel fact of life and true for all other operators as well - brown nosing will not make a difference...
I had an argument with smeagel before, I do agree that a onesided change of T&C´s by management is not okay, but still I´d regard the T&C´s of NJE as not to bad. If I have the chance, I´ll most likely join NJE. Brown nosing? Grovelling? Decide for yourself, my opinion is that NJE with its huge marketforce will have (and already has!) an impact on established operators and the pilot job market. The future will tell, but I think NJE will stay and grow and will be a more stable employer.
I had an argument with smeagel before, I do agree that a onesided change of T&C´s by management is not okay, but still I´d regard the T&C´s of NJE as not to bad. If I have the chance, I´ll most likely join NJE. Brown nosing? Grovelling? Decide for yourself, my opinion is that NJE with its huge marketforce will have (and already has!) an impact on established operators and the pilot job market. The future will tell, but I think NJE will stay and grow and will be a more stable employer.
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FKS. Spot on. The mission blinkers do seem to affect some (but not all) of those from a certain background. Difficult to adjust I suppose after years of being prepped for going to war although many make the adjustment quite happily.
HD. You are right. Compared with 'pure' corporate (permanently on standby, retrospective days off etc) NJE is luxury. It is much more stable, the money is often better however there are down sides.
The company are lucky enough to have some very talented, experienced and hard working people on the payroll most of whom would not accept a job in Lisbon in a million years because they have seen what going there does to people, their health, relationships and in some cases their careers. It's just a shame that they fail to treat them as professionals and ultimately this costs the company.
Examples abound. Scheduling will ask a crew to reduce to minimum rest and agree to give them only one flight the next day if they do. Guess how many times they have reneged on the deal? Guess how many crew now refuse to reduce rest, extend their tour or co-operate above and beyond their minimum required duties?
Who in their right mind thinks this is the most productive way to handle people? The example above is just one of many, it has happened a lot and killed much of the goodwill. So much more could be done with the personnel NJE already have if they just learned how to handle people properly.
That said if you go in with your eyes open, fly and go home you should be alright. Just don't expect too much of what you are told you will get to happen or remain unchanged.
HD. You are right. Compared with 'pure' corporate (permanently on standby, retrospective days off etc) NJE is luxury. It is much more stable, the money is often better however there are down sides.
The company are lucky enough to have some very talented, experienced and hard working people on the payroll most of whom would not accept a job in Lisbon in a million years because they have seen what going there does to people, their health, relationships and in some cases their careers. It's just a shame that they fail to treat them as professionals and ultimately this costs the company.
Examples abound. Scheduling will ask a crew to reduce to minimum rest and agree to give them only one flight the next day if they do. Guess how many times they have reneged on the deal? Guess how many crew now refuse to reduce rest, extend their tour or co-operate above and beyond their minimum required duties?
Who in their right mind thinks this is the most productive way to handle people? The example above is just one of many, it has happened a lot and killed much of the goodwill. So much more could be done with the personnel NJE already have if they just learned how to handle people properly.
That said if you go in with your eyes open, fly and go home you should be alright. Just don't expect too much of what you are told you will get to happen or remain unchanged.
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Smeagal.
You really are a hypocrite, aren't you?
You slag Mr Jenvey off and accuse him of "not quite getting it", but ALL you do is rubbish your employer. You repeatedly say that the Netjets mangement read these pages, yet it is YOU who is always posting whinging and whining like a little girl.
Christ sakes boy, get a life and SHUT UP, GROW UP or just leave Netjets if it's that bad for you.
Or maybe you can't???.....
and I don't even work for Netjets.!!!!
You really are a hypocrite, aren't you?
You slag Mr Jenvey off and accuse him of "not quite getting it", but ALL you do is rubbish your employer. You repeatedly say that the Netjets mangement read these pages, yet it is YOU who is always posting whinging and whining like a little girl.
Christ sakes boy, get a life and SHUT UP, GROW UP or just leave Netjets if it's that bad for you.
Or maybe you can't???.....
and I don't even work for Netjets.!!!!
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Dear Scroll Lock. For the benefit of the female members of this forum we'll assume your 'little girl' comment wasn't meant to be insulting.
Correct me if I'm wrong didn't I just write that life at NJE was better than 'pure' bizjet work? Did I not write that the money is often better and that it is a more stable job? Have I not said before that the flying is interesting, the aircraft fairly new and on the whole the staff and crew good folk? I believe I have, both in this forum and in PM's to those who have approached me for my views.
I've alluded to it before but as it was seemingly not clear enough for you I'll spell it out. My mainly negative comments in here are an antidote to those who would have any applicants and new hires believe that it's absolutely perfect when it is not. There is good and bad. Is it fair to let these people make major career decisions without being in possession of all the facts? What if it were you?
I have posted comments both for and against choosing to work for NJE (with the negative bias acknowledged and explained) yet you opt to berate me. I trust you will be launching a similar broadside against, say, Mike Jenvey who has never once even tipped his hat to the less pleasant side of the company choosing always, as he has done in this thread, to sidle into the background when he is in danger of having to do so. This alone speaks volumes.
Frankly I am bored with having to explain such a fairly obvious and well documented situation and I am certain most of the other members of this forum are tired of reading it. Anyone seeking information on working for NJE can read this and the other threads and draw their own conclusions.
Should you (Scroll Lock) wish to continue this conversation then in deference to the other members of this forum I suggest you PM me.
Correct me if I'm wrong didn't I just write that life at NJE was better than 'pure' bizjet work? Did I not write that the money is often better and that it is a more stable job? Have I not said before that the flying is interesting, the aircraft fairly new and on the whole the staff and crew good folk? I believe I have, both in this forum and in PM's to those who have approached me for my views.
I've alluded to it before but as it was seemingly not clear enough for you I'll spell it out. My mainly negative comments in here are an antidote to those who would have any applicants and new hires believe that it's absolutely perfect when it is not. There is good and bad. Is it fair to let these people make major career decisions without being in possession of all the facts? What if it were you?
I have posted comments both for and against choosing to work for NJE (with the negative bias acknowledged and explained) yet you opt to berate me. I trust you will be launching a similar broadside against, say, Mike Jenvey who has never once even tipped his hat to the less pleasant side of the company choosing always, as he has done in this thread, to sidle into the background when he is in danger of having to do so. This alone speaks volumes.
Frankly I am bored with having to explain such a fairly obvious and well documented situation and I am certain most of the other members of this forum are tired of reading it. Anyone seeking information on working for NJE can read this and the other threads and draw their own conclusions.
Should you (Scroll Lock) wish to continue this conversation then in deference to the other members of this forum I suggest you PM me.
