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SincoTC 6th July 2013 16:26

Hi W8


is that a homebuilt alco sport?
Sorry, not an Alco Sport and not offered for homebuilding but near enough the correct era :)

Karlark 7th July 2013 07:29

Hi Trevor,

Is it a 6 cylinder Anzani engine? Tri-motor aircraft?

SincoTC 7th July 2013 08:00

Hi Karl,


Is it a 6 cylinder Anzani engine? Tri-motor aircraft?
Right engine, but there's only one :)

MReyn24050 7th July 2013 11:31

Very interesting challenge. You stated that this aircraft was built in the same era as the Alco Sport. Could not find much about the Alco sport plane on the web. I did find some information about an aircraft called the Arrow sport. It was stated that the early Arrow Sport, built in 1926, initially offered a 6-cylinder 60 hp Anzani engine as well as the Detroit Air Cat engine; however,
the 5-cylinder 60 hp Le Blond engine soon became the standard production engine.

The 6 Cylinder Anzani engine was a built in March 1910 by merging two 3-cylinder units together, one slightly behind the other and at an angle of 60° thus producing the first two-row radial. The aircraft listed in Wiki are biplanes. It is known that a number of Polish aircraft were fitted with the Anzani, the R.W.1 being one example. This was a high wing braced monoplane.

So was this aircraft 1920-30?

SincoTC 7th July 2013 11:59

Hi Mel,

The Anzani six was indeed an interesting engine and as you say, the first double-row radial and identified by its two separate exhausts collectors.

The Wiki listings for applications using this engine is far from complete and they were quite widely used, but this one isn't Polish!

Yes, this was from the 1920's and as you correctly surmised, it wad a single engine high-wing cantilever monoplane.

Good hunting :ok:

MReyn24050 7th July 2013 19:48

Wicko Lion perhaps?

SincoTC 7th July 2013 20:21

Evening Mel,

Not a Wiko Lion I'm afraid, quite similar but more rounded in the lower fuselage behind the engine than the challenge aircraft

MReyn24050 7th July 2013 23:16

Still chasing that 6 cylinder Anzani. Wild guess the Korsa T2?

SincoTC 8th July 2013 00:23

Good morning Mel,


Korsa T2
That's very similar and from the same year mine was registered, it's one that I'd not heard of too, good old Fright Archives!!

Well, although it's wrong, it may help to find mine, because in a way it's "half right" and although the challenge aircraft is not in Wiki, its successor is and has this "half" bit!!

Noyade 8th July 2013 05:34

Good morning Trevor.

Well, although it's wrong, it may help to find mine, because in a way it's "half right"
I went with Mel's "T2" designation being half right...

http://i42.tinypic.com/rt2la0.jpg

...and then googled ACAZ. Looks like your machine at top left?

http://i39.tinypic.com/mrqlnm.jpg

SincoTC 8th July 2013 06:04

A'rtnoon Graeme,

Well, you've found my image, but stricktly speaking you're only half right now!


although the challenge aircraft is not in Wiki, its successor is and has this "half" bit!!
If you read that article, it shows the T-2 as a line drawing (on the left) and the Photo actually shows the ACAZ T-1

I'd be a hard man to deny you though mate, so control is all yours :ok:

Sorry Mel, maybe I should have done a "Morten" on him and rejected the answer:)

Noyade 8th July 2013 07:10


but stricktly speaking you're only half right now!
I always do things by halves mate. :) Thanks, but I'll make it open house. Cheers.

MReyn24050 8th July 2013 11:19

Great Challenge Trevor and well done Graeme. :ok: The one thing about these threads is that there is always something to learn and the research in trying to solve the challenges is fascinating. Thanks guys.

MReyn24050 8th July 2013 11:32

Open House!! Here is one to be going on with:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...pse9128394.jpg

SincoTC 8th July 2013 23:25

Hi Mel,

This is an interesting one!

Another radial, but definitely not from the Anzani stable :)

We seem to be looking up some distance, so maybe a flying-boat? single engine? Are those parasol wings on the LH side or could they be struts supporting an over-wing engine pylon?

Unusual flush exhausts and possibly a cooling fan within that cowling nose?

MReyn24050 9th July 2013 00:07

Hi Trevor.

We seem to be looking up some distance, so maybe a flying-boat? single engine? Are those parasol wings on the LH side or could they be struts supporting an over-wing engine pylon?
Not a flying boat nor parasol wings. This aircraft was a twin-engined, low wing bomber. As you say unusual exhaust. Not sure about the cooling fan.

Kitbag 9th July 2013 18:35

One of these: Liore et Olivier 451?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/leo45/leo45-8.jpg

MReyn24050 9th July 2013 21:17

One of those will do nicely kitbag.:ok:
You have control.

Kitbag 9th July 2013 21:40

TVM. Moving forward in time to something a little noisier:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Chall9Jul.jpg

Lightning Mate 10th July 2013 06:13

CF-105 Avro Arrow ?


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