Indeed, the first photograph is a GA-21 with side-by-side seating. A very advanced training concept at the time, not to even mention the flaps.

that engine installation look American to me................... another trainer??

That's got some P51 in it ?.

Yes American, yes a trainer and I agree about the P-51 look, but apparently no link between the two.

The fin is a dead ringer for a P51.

Try Googling P51 designer and it will come up with Edgar Schmued………….

That kind of gives it away, but I have to admit I didn't know that bit.

Evansb, what was the info on the flaps above the wing, looked like dive brakes?

Dear treadi, the Cunningham-Hall GA-21/36 was the first aeroplane to feature double motion wing flaps devised to lower landing speeds and not flying speeds.

Card model kit link: https://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=20962

treadi - post # 775

"https://niagaraaerospacemuseum.org/c...am-hall-ga-36/

"It is the first plane to feature double motion wing flaps devised to lower landing speeds and not flying speeds. The GA-36 featured two cockpits and fixed landing gear. Cunningham-Hall tried to sell this design to the Army and Navy. Both declined, saying the aircraft was too expensive to produce."

It did!
it's a Morrow Victory trainer
Never heard of it before!

That'll do: over to you :)

Off topic.

Whilst we have a break, can anyone tell me how to check incoming PMs on the new look site ?

If you are logged in its the same as it used to be

Click on hte figure outline top right on the bar and select private Messages - then chose Inbox or Outbox

I don't have that option.

This is how it looks:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1e0633368b.jpg

Dook, is it perchance under the menu (3 horizontal bars) on the left of the dark blue PPRuNe title bar? That's where messages are on my smart phone.

Evans/Asturias - thanks, be interested to see how the system worked in flight - shame the aeroplane is in a museum but then again amazing it has survived!

Thank you all.

I have now selected all site and things are back to normal.

It must be either my machine or browser.

Thanks buddy.
I have nothing to contribute so may I invite another Open House?

Ok - another best seller................. not .............

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2ed82a7fe2.jpg

There’s a bit of Miles about it but I’m sure it will be something else.

What does the other end look like?

I'll go along with Miles. M.38 Messenger perhaps? The tail end might be a bit of a giveaway.

The glazed area behind the cockpit reminds me of the GA Cygnet.

The tail would give a clue. Whitney Straight or Monarch?

I can't see there being much swanning around trying to guess this one.

No wonder it 'reminds you of..."
It is a General Aircraft GAL42 Cygnet.

I'm not claiming that one as dook clearly got thre first.

Extra points for spotting that it's the prototype CW Aircraft (Chronander/Waddington) Cygnet, notable for its single fin and taildragger configuration, unlike its twin-fin, tricycle-gear GAL Cygnet successors.

Y'all come back this evening.......................

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ea3bc46c6a.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6a2fb41245.jpg

Cropped again...

Well, he's given us the front and back end views now.

It's almost 24 hours and I'm off out - yes it's the GA42 Cygnet in both it's manifestations.

Looks like Dook has the wheel......

Slight thread drift, but when operated by the RAF, the GA Cygnet (yes, a baby swan) becomes an owlet! I just cannot explain how it did that. Have an idea that the RAF also threw away the canopy to suit their own purposes (possibly being evaluated as a military trainer?)
David D

I have got to say as a non UK/GMT member who has regularly read this and the which airport page, with the odd guess and win, the latest MOD's rules are totally spoiling what used to be really interesting pages!

They bought a few to check out crews on tricycle wheel aircraft as they'd bought a load of Havoc's I think from the USA - at eh time the RAF didn't operate anything with a nose wheel.

But "faded" beyond recognition!!!! :ok:

That normally means Russian - they never seemed to have decent photographic film under J V Stalin.......................

That'll do!

No idea....:confused:

looks like solid interwing strut - the Polikarpov I15 had them bu that was had a bloody great radial.............

maybe the DI-1 (2I-N1)??

Is it Japanese...?

Dook has deleted the thread I believe but a copy still exists above in his reply to Quem - he has told me what it is and neither I nor sycamore are correct

I'll try and PM him