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RegDep 8th Aug 2011 17:51


Do you all not admire a person of such superior knowledge......
Don't know what to say. If I say I do…… Would it agreeing that not, or what :=

Ach, better say I do admire :ok:

Lightning Mate 8th Aug 2011 17:58

Wanna diagram of BPSK transmission format?

It will be via e-mail so as not to bore the BOFs on thread......:E

Out to dinner again now, so night/nacht.

(oder morgen Noyade)

RegDep 8th Aug 2011 18:00

Yes please Mate.

RR why not talk about the engine. Tell me about it.

skytrain10 8th Aug 2011 19:09

Seems we have lost RR. So what do we know...old biplane photographed presumably at an airshow in comparitively recent times. 2 seater with a single windscreen at the front. Odd looking engine which almost looks too small for it...and whats that paddle like thing sticking out the stbd side? Had dinner now so time for some research.

RegDep 8th Aug 2011 19:13

Paddle-like thing? A muffler?

skytrain10 8th Aug 2011 19:19


Paddle-like thing? A muffler?
That's what I thought, but when you zoom in on it.....I'm not so sure?
Looking at the style of the tents in the background I would say this was taken quite recently...within the last 10 years.

RegDep 8th Aug 2011 19:27

How many cylinders? Two visible this side?

Must be a stupid question, but does one have two-stroke engines like this?

Another question like the above: Is this a three-blade propeller?

Sorry. Had some New Zealand wine. Excellent wine, in fact.

skytrain10 8th Aug 2011 20:38


How many cylinders? Two visible this side?
Not really sure - you could be right.
Gone through Aerofiles and nothing ties up.
That tail is quite distinctive but I cannot place it - but it does look familiar.

Ridge Runner 8th Aug 2011 21:19


American RR?
Not a yank, Ken.

Sorry, I've been otherwise occupied.

Yes, taken at a show in the last few years but the aircraft was, apparently, from the 1920s!

Walter engine on this variant. Originally a radial.

RR

Ridge Runner 8th Aug 2011 21:23

Sorry boys, heading to bed now! Catch you in the morning.

RR

SincoTC 8th Aug 2011 21:31

Evening Guys,

My take on this is that it's an early machine, and judging by the shape of the nose it probably started life with a Radial engine that has fairly recently been replaced with a high revving modern (automobile or marine V-4??) with a reduction gear to suit the original or similar sized two-blade prop.

The cockpit looks very close to the front and I wonder if the new powerplant is a lot lighter than the original donk, so the pilot was moved forward to aid in keeping the CG where it needs to be!

Edit: RR has re-appeared while I was typing and filled in some of the gaps, thanks mate, sleep well :)

Ridge Runner 8th Aug 2011 21:36

I just discovered that this machine is a flying replica of the original.

Night, night.

RR

Edit: Ken, that "paddle-thing" is the exhaust! :)

RegDep 8th Aug 2011 21:51

With all that said, I bid you good night, too. Sleep well.

SincoTC 9th Aug 2011 06:28

Morning all,

Martin, please clarify!


Walter engine on this variant. Originally a radial
The engine on your silhouette doesn't look like any Walter I've seen (but then there's no doubt I haven't seen them all :)), or do you mean that the original 1920's machine had a Walter radial, maybe the 60Hp five-cyl which appeared in the mid 20's before they had names, the Castor 7-cyl seems a little late!

Not had much luck searching so far :ugh: and off to work soon, good luck guys :ok:

P.S. see WC thread, it looks like Bri has upped sticks and retired like he said, a great pity!!:{

RegDep 9th Aug 2011 06:32

Good morning TC :).

I am lost with this one :*

While we are waiting for RR, my take is that what he has said is this version (in general) of this aircraft had originally a Walter radial. But the aeroplane in the challenge picture is a replica (so the engine is something else). How about that?

SincoTC 9th Aug 2011 06:40

Guten Tag Reg :)

Me too! :confused:! I have to go now , will try and join in at break times. Happy hunting!

RegDep 9th Aug 2011 06:53

How about something like Aero A.34?

Lightning Mate 9th Aug 2011 07:02

Morning all.


Walter engine on this variant. Originally a radial.

As TC said, this doesn't look like any Walter.

This is very confusing and I think RR needs to clarify this.

HappyPass 9th Aug 2011 07:11

Morning!
What, TC confused!?
Then this on must be really hard...

I will be away for a few days, so I thought I stopped to say hi. :)

Ridge Runner 9th Aug 2011 07:13

Sorry for any confusion!

The variant on which this replica is based was powered by a 85hp Walter. I can't find any refernce on line that says what the engine actually is on the challenge machine! It is current, flying as recently as 2009. European. Originally produced in the 1920s. Eight were produced. Two-seater with both sat in one open cockpit.

RR

Lightning Mate 9th Aug 2011 07:16

Go on HP - one more post............say anything.

Lightning Mate 9th Aug 2011 07:23

Is it the Bulgarian DAR-1?

Lightning Mate 9th Aug 2011 07:26

Registration LZ-AKR.

HappyPass 9th Aug 2011 07:26

Ok...
...Anything!

RegDep 9th Aug 2011 07:27

What you say RR sounds like DAR 1A, LZ-IKR. And looks like it, too…..

Lightning Mate 9th Aug 2011 07:28

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/HPcard-1.jpg

Lightning Mate 9th Aug 2011 07:30

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/335909-1.jpg

edited to remove intimidating words on photo

RegDep 9th Aug 2011 07:31

So very approprite! HP stops by to say Hi (pretty conveniently) :) and Mate beats his protegè :\.

Congratulations HappyPass!!!

Please hurry back!

HappyPass 9th Aug 2011 07:35

AAAH! I didn't notice! It was a trap!!! :p
Thank you everyone! :)

P.S. Well done LM!

RegDep 9th Aug 2011 08:17

According to my recent (5 minutes ago) "research", the challenge is not a replica but this aeroplane, with new engine. The original was flown, i.a. by Mr. Petko Popganchev, a renowned Bulgarian pilot.

Here it is in the original shape

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...Dep/1373-1.jpg

Not very certain it this is correct. Not very reliable sources…..

In fact (see below), the LZ-IKR used to be B-BIKR and not B-BIKM in my picture.

This one, however

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...Dep/dar1-3.jpg

The challenge aircraft seems to be currently hanging from the ceiling in new terminal at Plovdiv airport.

Just to entertain myself, here is a better view to the current engine:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...22752623-1.jpg

Lightning Mate 9th Aug 2011 08:43

Agreed. I verified that by looking at the Bulgarian civil register.

Ridge Runner 9th Aug 2011 09:05

It clearly is, mate!!!


According to my recent (5 minutes ago) "research", the challenge is not a replica but this aeroplane, with new engine. The original was flown, i.a. by Mr. Petko Popganchev, a renowned Bulgarian pilot.
Good to hear, as this is what I thought originally, but then found references to a replica!!!!! By the way, it does now hang from the ceiling of the new Plovdiv Airport terminal building, where I saw it last year!

Not sure how to allocate this one. As it is shown as a separate type from the DAR-1 on the web, I'm going to give Reg CONTROL

RR

Lightning Mate 9th Aug 2011 09:14

What???

Please check post #502 et seq mate.

Ridge Runner 9th Aug 2011 09:17

I did and at #505 Reg posts the DAR-1A, which the aircraft is (not a DAR-1) - unless I'm missing something here? RR

Lightning Mate 9th Aug 2011 09:20

As Reg and I have discovered, the registration on the Bulgarian register has it as the DAR-1.

RegDep 9th Aug 2011 09:22

Well RR, this is to Mate by a wide margin!

I hadn't seen his post, but he clearly referred to the correct aeroplane before my post.


8. Please exercise discretion regarding precise variants and even names of aircraft. A P-51 Mustang is good enough to identify a P-51K. Similarly a Rockwell Sparrow Commander is good enough to identify a Callair A-9, and so on.

Lightning Mate 9th Aug 2011 09:24


LZ-IKR DAR DAR-1 B-BIKR LZ-KR
....................

Ridge Runner 9th Aug 2011 09:30

okay, okay... lets move on..... David control is yours (but I still don't agree) :)

sexyfly.dir.bg
Bulgarian Air Force

Although it was originally a DAR-1 it was converteed in 1928 to DAR-1A. It is registered as such today

RegDep 9th Aug 2011 09:33

OK, case closed. Mate show 'em :ok:

skytrain10 9th Aug 2011 10:59

All very quiet! For what it's worth my money is on LZ-IKR being a replica of the original. The aircraft seems to have "appeared" in the last few years with no previous reference to it anywhere - other than when it was around in the '30's. Most reports refer to it as a replica. Although it appears on an internet register it does not seem to have featured in Air Britain's Bulgaria register. I would also doubt that an original would be suspended from a terminal ceiling when there is a museum nearby. Anyway, just my own view.


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