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evansb 22nd May 2008 20:45

Sorry Keith, not the Gardan GY 80.

norwich 23rd May 2008 22:17

Can I see Cessna ??

evansb 23rd May 2008 22:35

Sorry again, Keith, but it is not a Cessna. Only 50-some examples of this model were produced.

windriver 23rd May 2008 22:44

Beech Bonanza... G33 model?

aviate1138 24th May 2008 07:32

Bellanca Viking possibly?

ozbeowulf 24th May 2008 09:33

evansb's challenge...
 
Methinks it's a Mooney M-10 Cadet, the update of the original Ercoupe design.

Glenn

aviate1138 24th May 2008 11:41

I reckon that is spot on Oz!

evansb 24th May 2008 15:54

ozbeowulf is correct.:ok: The Mooney M-10 Cadet was the final evolution of the Erco design. Well done:D You have control.

ozbeowulf 24th May 2008 20:53

The next challenge...
 
Thanks, Bri..

Here's an easy one....

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g.../wotzit_20.jpg

sycamore 25th May 2008 10:47

Boomerang?Ducking for cover!

ozbeowulf 25th May 2008 12:17

Not a Boomerang, Sycamore, but that's not a bad opening gambit.

Glenn

ozbeowulf 25th May 2008 13:51

It's getting late in Oz, so I'm off to bed. I'll leave a clue behind, though.

This aircraft and a later, better aircraft from the same manufacturer had a visually distinctive external feature generally associated with that aircraft manufacturer. In fact, that feature was designed by a different aircraft builder who charged royalties for its use.

I'll be back on deck in six or seven hours.

Glenn

Brian Abraham 25th May 2008 17:44

P-36????????? Gear retract Boeing patent.

ozbeowulf 25th May 2008 21:00

Close enough, Brian! Good job. You have control!

This particular aircraft is the Curtiss Hawk 75, which was sold overseas but also eventually emerged as the P-36 in the US despite losing the original contract to the Seversky P-35. The Hawk 75 and P-36 cockpits were doubtless virtually identical.

This is G-CCVH at Duxford a few years ago. I assume the paint scheme is a tribute to the many French Air Force Hawk 75s that Britain inherited from the French in early WWII.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...CVHDuxford.jpg

seacue 25th May 2008 23:16

Re-engined it became the P-40, right?

http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/fly-by-P-40.jpg

ozbeowulf 26th May 2008 02:41

Hi, Seacue..

Yes, the P-40 grew directly from the Model 75, at least AFAIK. The original Hawk had some problems with engines, from what I've read. The original Wright radial was changed at the last minute, apparently, for the delayed trials by the USAAC. Unfortunately, the Hawk was slower with the larger Wright. An engine/prop mismatch, perhaps.

There were probably a few other changes in the P-40 but the inline Allison engine was the icing on the cake. You can't rule out the speed-enhancing effect of painting a shark's mouth on it, of course. Like painting a sports car bright red makes it go faster. :O

Glenn

twochai 28th May 2008 01:04

Is it, by chance, the Max Holste MH250 Super Broussard??

Brian Abraham 28th May 2008 01:45

On the rare occasion I get one correct you can take it as a given that open house is declared. Have no wish to hold up proceedings. With regard to the Hawk I understand the Hawk75 to be the export version and the P-36 the domestic (USA) version. Interesting that limited production (only a few airframes) of the Hawk 75 was undertaken in both China and India. Aircraft built by both contries were absorbed by the RAF as Mohawks. About the only photo I have, excuse the big head but should be easy.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...27/Brian76.jpg

MReyn24050 28th May 2008 08:42

twochai
 
Sorry twochai it was not the Max Holste MH250 Super Broussard. I have withdrawn my challenge in deference to Brian's, who won the last challenge, but will post it again at a later date.
Mel

evansb 28th May 2008 21:08

Brian Abraham's Challenge
 
Sikorsky S-76 ?

windriver 28th May 2008 21:19

Beat me to it... S76 C

Brian Abraham 29th May 2008 01:57

76C of course. Told you it was easy. :ok:

evansb 29th May 2008 02:26

Thanks Brian. Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r.../WCP080529.jpg

twochai 29th May 2008 14:35

Beriev Be30 prototype??

evansb 29th May 2008 19:06

Sorry twochai, not from Beriev's stable.

India Four Two 29th May 2008 19:38


not from Beriev's stable.
but the correct country, right?

twochai 29th May 2008 19:51

Sorry, I now see Be30 has already been done, also landing gear of your challenge cockpit appears fixed....

But must be Soviet, surely, with that agricultural cockpit?

So, AN-28 prototype??



Disregard Soviet, disregard AN-28, its the old, original piston engined version of the Harbin Y-11

evansb 29th May 2008 21:09

You are correct. It is the radial engined Harbin Y-11. You have control.

twochai 29th May 2008 21:42

Open House
 
Yes, the original Y-11 first flew in 1973, at the height of the cultural revolution when intellectuals, presumably including aircraft designers, were banished to the rice paddies, or worse, for re-education. Which explains the 'agricultural' cockpit!!! Considering the circumstances under which they were working, not such a bad solution, I would say.


Due to the technological incompetence of the manipulator I am forced to declare "OPEN HOUSE" :confused:

MReyn24050 30th May 2008 14:10

Next Challenge
 
I will take up twochai's Open House and resubmit the following:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...pitquiz327.jpg

It is not the Max Holste MH250 Super Broussard which you will recall twochai suggested last time it was posted.
Mel

sycamore 30th May 2008 16:48

C-160 Transall?

MReyn24050 30th May 2008 17:33

Mel's Challenge
 
Not the C-160 Transall I am afraid.
Mel

MReyn24050 30th May 2008 20:16

Mel's Challenge
 
Not the Buffalo or Caribou. However, twochai and sycamore were correct in identifying that this aircraft was from the continent.

MReyn24050 30th May 2008 21:01

Mel's Challenge
 
Not the Nord 262.

norwich 30th May 2008 21:46

What about ... Dassault MD 320 Hirondelle ??? Keith.

MReyn24050 31st May 2008 07:24

Mel's Challenge
 
Not the Dassault MD 320 Hirondelle I am afraid Keith

twochai 31st May 2008 11:53

Ahhhh, finally....

Hurel Dubois HD-34, one of the really inventive curiosities of aerodynamics which the French nobly explored in the post war environment. Ultra high aspect ratio, two wing struts each side, fixed main gear, retractable nose gear (retrtacted sideways, a la Trident, if memory serves).

I should have recognised it earlier as I operated along side one owned by l'Institut Geographique National for several months in the Ivory Coast 45 years ago!!

MReyn24050 31st May 2008 15:09

Mel's Challenge
 
twochai. Spot on it is indeed the Hurel Dubois HD-34 :D:ok:
You have control.

twochai 31st May 2008 15:37

That was a really tricky challenge.

The HD34 was a really interesting aerodynamic oddity, but more a solution looking for a problem - two wing struts each side, each the area of a large light plane wing, etc., etc. Difficult to find a hangar large enough and I cannot imagine how slow and ponderous it must have been to fly!

OK, here's another aerodynamic challenge and an oddity which may, or may not go quickly:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/WC5.jpg[/IMG]

MReyn24050 31st May 2008 17:51

As twochai states:-

The HD34 was a really interesting aerodynamic oddity
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6.../0730218-1.jpg


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