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MReyn24050 5th May 2006 14:49

OK Clint Let me go for the SAAB JA 37 Viggen
Mel

Mr_Grubby 5th May 2006 15:02

Correct, Mel.

MReyn24050 5th May 2006 15:52

Thank you Clint.
Unfortunately this photograph is not as clear as your one, however I am sure it will not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...kpitquiz83.jpg[/IMG]

This was a British Aircraft mid 30s

Cricket23 5th May 2006 22:04

...my first post on here, so no laughing now!

How about a De Havilland D.H.84 Dragon?

C23

MReyn24050 5th May 2006 22:16

Cricket23
Welcome to the thread. Nobody will be laughing at all. Sorry but it is not a De Havilland D.H.84 Dragon. This particular aircraft was not so famous.
Mel

Cricket23 5th May 2006 22:41

thanks MReyn24050. I'll have to put on my thinking cap. I'm a bit stumped at the mo'

C23

MReyn24050 5th May 2006 22:48

No problem C23. This was a very unique aircraft.

682al 5th May 2006 23:05

Bit doubtful about this, but is it the Boulton Paul P.64/P.71 Mailplane?

MReyn24050 6th May 2006 06:08

Sorry 682al
Not the Boulton Paul P.64/P.71 Mailplane. This aircraft was not a Biplane.
Mel

green granite 6th May 2006 14:44

Saunders-Roe
A.27?

MReyn24050 6th May 2006 15:22

green granite

Not the Saunders-Roe A.27. This aircraft was not flying-boat or a seaplane.

I will add that unfortunately this aircraft had an unlucky ending.

Mel

pigboat 6th May 2006 16:42

Ok, time for a WAG. ANT-20 Maxim Gorkii. :D

MReyn24050 6th May 2006 17:24

No Pigboat this aircraft was British designed and built It first flew mid thirties.

BSD 6th May 2006 17:38

Mel,

Time for another WAG. British, mid-30s, a one-off, with an unhappy ending..........

How about the Vickers type 271. Built I think, against the specification which resulted in the Wellington but a failure which had to be completely re-designed in order to become to become in a later guise the Wellington.

Any good?

MReyn24050 6th May 2006 17:54

BSD

No not the Vickers type 271. This aircraft featured a development of a revolutionary wing structure

However, you were correct in that the Vickers Type 271, the Prototype B9/32 K4049 and forerunner of the Wellington, met an unfortunate end when it crashed following the failure of the elevator horn balance during a test flight in April 1937. The pilot was thrown through the roof of the cockpit and escaped by parachute, but the flight engineer, unable to get free, was killed in the crash. The aeroplane was completely destroyed.

Mel

MReyn24050 6th May 2006 18:46

No sorry Mike not Miles Aircraft.
Mel

BSD 6th May 2006 20:44

Mel,

My last attempt at this one - the Armstrong Whitworth AW 23. I think just a single aeroplane was built, it's wing being stressed skin with I think stainless steel spars/ribs.

It was a one-off which eventually became the Whitley.

Howzat?

If that's not it, then I'm truly stumped!

MReyn24050 6th May 2006 21:15

BSD

Not the AW 23. Spars or should I say a Spar does come into this, this aircraft possibly had a great future but unfortunately lady luck played a hand.
Mel

MReyn24050 6th May 2006 22:05

This one seems to be causing problems due to its uniqueness perhaps. Possibly this might help.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...pitquiz81a.jpg[/IMG]

pigboat 6th May 2006 23:15

Good Lord, not an attractive beast, is it? :eek:

Kieron Kirk 7th May 2006 07:47

A Monospar whose title I cannot recall. Did it not end up on a reef out of fuel off the Timor coast?

Kieron Kirk 7th May 2006 08:13

GAL ST.18 Croydon .

Ran out of fuel and landed on a reef 7th October 1936.

MReyn24050 7th May 2006 08:35

Kieron Kirk
It certainly is the cockpit of General Aviation’s Monospar ST-18 Croydon :ok: which met a sad end after making a false landing on the hard coral of Seringapatam Reef, 175 miles off the N.W. coast of Australia. The aircraft was returning to the UK from Australia in October 1936 but failed to make landfall across the Timor Sea due to a compass error. The aircraft was abandoned, the crew were saved by a local fishing boat.
[IMG]http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...-18Croydon.jpg[/IMG]
The last photograph taken of the Croydon shortly before the tide claimed it for ever. Note the tail wheel broken off.
You have control :)

Mel

Kieron Kirk 7th May 2006 09:49

http://http://www.zap16.com/aviodrom...Hunter%202.jpg

A nice easy one. Not far from where I live. Checked the previous listings so it should not have been posted before.

Here's hoping it will post alright.

My first attempt at posting an image.

It did not work, could somebody else take the next image.

I shall try again later.

treadigraph 7th May 2006 10:52

http://www.zap16.com/aviodrome/ad08-...Hunter%202.jpg

Here's your pic Kieron, "http://" appeared twice in the address for some reason...

Chiz

Treadders

MReyn24050 7th May 2006 11:44

Kieron Kirk
Hawker Hunter.
Unfortunately you included the aircraft's name in the File Reference. When pasting in the file as Teadders stated the file's http// was included make sure next time you review the file data and delete the extra http//. Please try another challenge.:). :ok:

Mel

Kieron check your PMs

jabberwok 7th May 2006 11:45


Monospar ST-18 Croydon which met a sad end after making a forced landing on the hard coral of Seringapatam Reef
Funny how memory plays tricks because I was sure it was a Q6 involved in that episode..

What you didn't mention was that this reef is submerged for most of its life and that unusual tidal conditions had exposed it for a brief window allowing the Croydon to land. Add the fortunate presence of the boat and the crew were extremely lucky indeed.

MReyn24050 7th May 2006 12:00

jabberwok

As you quite rightly say, the Seringapatam Reef was normally under water and they had the good fortune to find it during a period of neap tides- and at low water. Later that day apparently it was under three feet of water, a week later it would have been immersed under a maximum of 14ft of sea. The story has it that the crew had a collapsible boat on board and paddled off to the fishing boat which as you say was fortunately near by.

Perhaps to this day near that far-off reef lie two coral encrusted Pratt & Whitney Wasp Juniors-last mortal remains of that ill fated aircraft.

Mel

foxmoth 7th May 2006 12:07

Also I would say luck to find a reef that was "landable" - most I would have thought would remove more than the tailwheel:uhoh:

jabberwok 7th May 2006 17:26


Also I would say luck to find a reef that was "landable" - most I would have thought would remove more than the tailwheel
In a way yes, but I think it very sad to see a fully functioning (almost) aircraft waiting to be claimed by the sea. Had it suffered a gear collapse or other non fatal damage it woluld not have been so poignant.

MReyn24050 7th May 2006 19:48

Kieron seems reluctant to put up another challenge at the moment Anyone else ready to come up with a challenge?

Mel

cringe 7th May 2006 20:51

Here's one - hope it doesn't last too long:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...nge_/unk43.jpg

pigboat 8th May 2006 02:53

Foxmoth, they weren't the only ones to find a place that was 'landable.'

I flew for 27 years for the railroad in Hammond Innes' book "The Land God Gave To Cain." It was 20 years before my time, about 1953, when the gravel strip at Menehik along the railroad right-of-way had a surprise visit from a Lockheed Lodestar one evening. The radio operator/weather observer was showing a visitor how the ceiling projector worked, when they heard an aircraft overhead. The company had no flights scheduled, so the runway lights had been turned off. He turned on the runway lights, and had the surprise of his life when, in the space of a few minutes, a Lodestar broke out of the overcast and landed. Even more surprising, after the door opened, the first thing out was a life raft, quickly followed by several gentlemen in robes and burnooses, (bernice? sp) obviously amazed to find themselves on dry land.

What had happened, the aircraft in question was on a flight from Saudi Arabia to the US, via Greenland, with a stop in Goose Bay for fuel. The pilot had become lost, and low on fuel had prepared to ditch over what he supposed to be the Labrador Sea. On the letdown above the undercast, he spotted a flare of light through the clouds and supposing this to be a USCG cutter on station off the coast of Labrador had made for it. He'd briefed his three passengers to expect a water landing, and was more than surprised himself when he broke out of the clouds and saw runway lights, so he slammed the gear down and landed. His passengers thought they were in the drink, not some 200 miles further west over dry land, hence the raft was the first thing out. They all spent the night in a company bunkhouse and continued in the am.

There's a twist. The ceiling projector was only on for less than a minute before the bulb burnt out. The pilot, let's call him RL, was certainly in the wrong place, but at decidedly the right time. A few years later he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He got caught running some hardware into Cuba for a certain Senor Castro, and Senor Batista threw him in jail. (Senor Castro promptly turned him loose when he took over.) :D

Ok people, back to the regularly scheduled programme. ;)

MReyn24050 8th May 2006 09:57

cringe

Considering the shape of the windscreen could it poosibly the one and only Comte A.C.12 Moskito?

Mel

cringe 8th May 2006 10:08

Sorry Mel, not a Moskito. This one wasn't so rare (100+ built).

MReyn24050 8th May 2006 16:42

cringe
Still having problems with that windscreen formation. How about the D.H.80A Puss Moth?
Mel

cringe 8th May 2006 17:19

Nope, not British. If you forget the windscreen layout for a moment, this design is similar to a much better known earlier type.

MReyn24050 8th May 2006 19:03

Wild guess based on the panel of the Breda Ba44.
The Breda Ba.65 perhaps?

cringe 8th May 2006 19:34

Not Italian. The original type with all its variants was produced in the thousands.

MReyn24050 9th May 2006 18:55

Perhaps from the otherside of the pond? USA? Possibly a Fairchild 24, perhaps the 24C8-C.
Mel


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