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cringe 9th May 2006 19:38

Mel,

Not American. Inspired by a German type, but it comes from another country.

MReyn24050 9th May 2006 20:38

Another wild quess perhaps the Morane-Saulnier M.S.505 Criquet (Locust).Although I think it had a central windscreen frame and dual front seats.

cringe 9th May 2006 21:05

You're on the right track, though it's not a Morane-Saulnier.

treadigraph 9th May 2006 21:25

I've no idea whether it was inspired by a German type, but how about the Nord 3400?

cringe 9th May 2006 21:38

About the right era. Not the Nord 3400 - not French. Go East...

Churchill Polar Bear 9th May 2006 22:42

Benes-Mraz K-65 Cap, then ? (Czech-built Fieseler Fi-156 Storch)

cringe 9th May 2006 23:08

Inspired by the Storch, yes. Not Czech.

treadigraph 10th May 2006 07:28

How about the Slepcev (sp?) "mini-Storch" from Down Unda? Sorry don't know the full designation, but was mightily impressed by its low speed flying display at Biggin a few years ago!

cringe 10th May 2006 08:45

Sorry, not the Slepcev Storch or its variant. Nearly 150 built. Used by a European air force till early 1970s.

treadigraph 10th May 2006 11:53

LET Brigadyr?

cringe 10th May 2006 12:22

Nope. Not Czech.

jabberwok 10th May 2006 14:30

In addition to the German/French/Czech productions, the Storch was produced on license in Rumania by ICAR, who produced 80 Fi 156C-3 from 1943.

Failing that may I presume it is not a Storch variant but a new design "inspired" by the original?

One fascinating snippet from another Storch page:


The Fieseler Storch was the last dogfight victim of the western front. Pilot Duanes Francies and his observer, Lieutenant William Martin, of the 5th US Army Division, spotted a Storch circling below them while looking for ground targets in their Piper Cub. Diving on the Storch, the two men opened fire with their Colt .45s and the plane spiraled to the ground. After a short gun battle, Francies and his observer took the two Germans into custody. Lt. Martin was awarded the Air Medal for his part in the fight, but Francies would have to wait until the story was reported in Cornelius Ryan's book "The Last Battle," to finally be awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross. The USAF was 22 years late. Apart from being the last Luftwaffe plane lost in the west, this Storch was also the only enemy plane downed by pistol fire during the war.

cringe 10th May 2006 14:41

Not a license-built Storch. Not from the Romanian ICAR... Another pic:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ge_/unk43a.jpg

cringe 10th May 2006 18:39

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ge_/unk43b.jpg

treadigraph 10th May 2006 22:04

Ummmm... Even with your third "in yer face" pic, I simply haven't a clue Cringe, that one's really got me stumped! Cowling looks rather Zlin-ish, but you said not a Czech machine... A PZL design perhaps?

cringe 10th May 2006 22:31

No, not Polish either. The manufacturer featured in this thread before.

Genghis the Engineer 10th May 2006 23:01

Piston Porter?

G

cringe 10th May 2006 23:05

Not a Pilatus. I honestly didn't expect it to be that difficult. This should help:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ge_/unk43c.jpg

Genghis the Engineer 10th May 2006 23:31

It's very pretty - where can I get a go in one?

G

MReyn24050 11th May 2006 07:03

Ikarus Kurir L. As used by Yugoslavian Air Force.
Wow, now that was a challenge cringe.

treadigraph 11th May 2006 07:24

It is pretty isn't it? And a very challenging challenge for the challenged. Well done Mel (and Cringe!)

cringe 11th May 2006 08:33

Yup, Mel has it. :ok: The cockpit was of a Slovenian-registered Ikarus Kurir (Courier). Pics from [1], [2] and [3].

Your go, Mel.

MReyn24050 11th May 2006 09:26

Thanks cringe and treadigraph.
I am sure this one will not last as long as cringe's excellent challenge. I do apologise for the quality but it is the best I could get it.
[IMG]http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...pitquiz104.jpg[/IMG]
Mel

JDK 11th May 2006 11:28

Hmmm. It's a cracker.

1950s British? Single-engined jet? Aircraft used for testing?

MReyn24050 11th May 2006 13:03

JDK
A litle bit earlier than 1950 and was in fact a twin engined jet. It was used for development flying.
Mel

682al 11th May 2006 15:03

Armstrong Whitworth 52?

MReyn24050 11th May 2006 16:21

682al
Sorry not the AW 52.
I note that during a test flight of AW 52 TS363 on 30 May 1949 the pilot J.O.Lancaster was forced to abandon ship, thus, incidentally, achieving the distinction of being the first person in the UK to use the Martin-Baker ejector seat in an emergency
Mel

682al 11th May 2006 16:52

Yes, the absence of an ejector seat had ocurred to me, too!

Hmmm, I'll go with a long shot...

early Meteor adapted for fighter-reconnaissance work (hence the big camera control box at the top of the photo).

FR5, based on F4?

MReyn24050 11th May 2006 17:02

Not a Meatbox ( Gloster Meteor) either I am afraid. You are right about it having a camera control box.

cringe 11th May 2006 20:31

Is it a Saunders-Roe SR.A/1 ?

MReyn24050 11th May 2006 20:49

Cringe my dear lady you never cease to amaze me. You have it in one.
[IMG]http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...undersRoeS.jpg[/IMG]
It is indeed the SR.A/1 and Reg No TG263. A wonderful aircraft. The lever above the 'X' is the water rudder toggle.
You regain control
Mel

cringe 11th May 2006 22:12

Thanks Mel, you're too kind. One of these days I'll make a fool of myself in front of the experts. :O

As I took someone else's turn last time, it's open house for posting the next challenge.

MReyn24050 11th May 2006 22:42

Cringe.
With your score I do not think there is much chance of that. However should there be no takers then we hope you will provide us with another great challenge.

Mel

JDK 12th May 2006 00:20

Cof, cof...

Well, as no-one else has come in with anything, maybe I can jump in with something a little different?

I scanned this from a book I bought the other day, as it intrigued me. Catch (and the variation) is I don't know what it is, but I have a very good idea, and obviously I've got an idea of the scope and date of the book.

No clues at this stage, but let's see how we go! I don't think we'll get a winner, because I'm looking for a consensus that it could be what I think it is, or that we all agree it's something else. Told you it'd be a bit different...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...img073xJDK.jpg

682al 12th May 2006 08:04

It's Mercury, the upper half of the Short Mayo composite.

JDK 12th May 2006 09:22

Bah. No chance of THAT one maturing like a fine cheese. :D

Just for interest, the caption, in an article on aircraft wiring, from 1938/9 which does not specify the aircraft, says:


WIRING IN THE COCKPIT has to be kept clear of the compass as far as possible. Single wires must never run near the compass because electro-magnetic induction from them may cause incorrect readings of the aircraft's bearings to be obtained. Induction may be overcome with thin wires of the same circuit by twisting them together so that their electro-magnetic fields are cancelled out.
Photo, Callender's Cable and Construction Co., Ltd.
Fascinating.

Now you have to provide 682, or it'll be Cringe... :eek:

682al 12th May 2006 10:12

A straightforward one....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...Untitled-5.jpg

MReyn24050 12th May 2006 11:11

682al

Hawker Siddeley HS-125 Perhaps.

Mel

682al 12th May 2006 11:50

I think it was still known as the de H 125 when the brochure was printed, but I ain't gonna quibble. Over to you!

MReyn24050 12th May 2006 15:06

Thanks 682al. I am sure this will not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...pitquiz130.jpg[/IMG]

It was a British Aircraft.


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