Lottery 'Commies' say NO to Vulcan
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One final swing for you my simian friend... OFMC make most of their money from film work (advertising, feature films, TV etc.). Airshow appearances would not fund the operation on their own. You think airshow fees are high - you should the ones for filming!
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Damien, you say that you’re not taking part in this discussion any more, but I’d bet my last £1 that you’re still reading this… you have to be. After all… you have a vested interest in the Vulcan.
First – You have got no idea what I know about the costs involved in running ex-military jets on the civil register… I know one thing for sure. It is a viable proposition. Don’t give me some crap how it’s not…. IT IS.
Please, just try and see this argument from the other side of the fence. Of all the points I have made, the only one you agree with is that it’s bad of TVOC not to respond when I’ve contacted them, although you’ve gone on to defend them because I didn’t phone… I used e-mail! You blatantly deny that the majority of Vulcan’s are in bad condition despite the fact that they are. Both The Swinging Monkey and Adrian mole have confirmed this. I’m happy to listen to your comments, but you must consider others too… there are people out there who do know more than you!
All I’ve asked from you over the past few days is some info from Mr Walton regarding the plans for the Vulcan… an official point of view. All you keep saying is look at the web site. You sound like a bloody politician! I don’t want to look at the site any more. I can find ****** all on there about the plans for the jet now that the lottery bid has failed. Given your role in the Vulcan web site, I’m sure you must be in regular contact with Mr Walton / TVOC. How about asking them for a quote that you can put on here as the ‘official line’ so that we all know what’s going on?
In fact… come to think of it… Are you Mr Walton!? One has to wonder in view of some of your comments! Oh, and sorry about the farmer joke – I didn’t expect you to have a sense of humour failure. Although how you can say they are tiresome… there’s only been one!
First – You have got no idea what I know about the costs involved in running ex-military jets on the civil register… I know one thing for sure. It is a viable proposition. Don’t give me some crap how it’s not…. IT IS.
Please, just try and see this argument from the other side of the fence. Of all the points I have made, the only one you agree with is that it’s bad of TVOC not to respond when I’ve contacted them, although you’ve gone on to defend them because I didn’t phone… I used e-mail! You blatantly deny that the majority of Vulcan’s are in bad condition despite the fact that they are. Both The Swinging Monkey and Adrian mole have confirmed this. I’m happy to listen to your comments, but you must consider others too… there are people out there who do know more than you!
All I’ve asked from you over the past few days is some info from Mr Walton regarding the plans for the Vulcan… an official point of view. All you keep saying is look at the web site. You sound like a bloody politician! I don’t want to look at the site any more. I can find ****** all on there about the plans for the jet now that the lottery bid has failed. Given your role in the Vulcan web site, I’m sure you must be in regular contact with Mr Walton / TVOC. How about asking them for a quote that you can put on here as the ‘official line’ so that we all know what’s going on?
In fact… come to think of it… Are you Mr Walton!? One has to wonder in view of some of your comments! Oh, and sorry about the farmer joke – I didn’t expect you to have a sense of humour failure. Although how you can say they are tiresome… there’s only been one!
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" In fact? come to think of it? Are you Mr Walton!? One has to wonder in view of some of your comments! Oh, and sorry about the farmer joke ? I didn?t expect you to have a sense of humour failure. Although how you can say they are tiresome? there?s only been one!"
I can tell you that DamienB is definitely not Dave Walton. I know you were in "banter" mode GrobD but that is the way malicious rumours start.
Anyway, if the Vulc is a no-go for lotto geld because it's (a) private, and (b) possibly a flyer, how about the RAF Museum applying for funds to bring B(I)8 Canberra WT346 back home from its tardy exile in New Zealand. That is after Hendon's new "hangar" is finished of course.
" In fact? come to think of it? Are you Mr Walton!? One has to wonder in view of some of your comments! Oh, and sorry about the farmer joke ? I didn?t expect you to have a sense of humour failure. Although how you can say they are tiresome? there?s only been one!"
I can tell you that DamienB is definitely not Dave Walton. I know you were in "banter" mode GrobD but that is the way malicious rumours start.
Anyway, if the Vulc is a no-go for lotto geld because it's (a) private, and (b) possibly a flyer, how about the RAF Museum applying for funds to bring B(I)8 Canberra WT346 back home from its tardy exile in New Zealand. That is after Hendon's new "hangar" is finished of course.
If I may intrude again in this relatively closed debate. I have no insight into the commercial intrigue involved in display matters involving old aeroplanes; all I can offer is dated practical experience.
You may know that its a comletely electric aeroplane, a lot of it is triple phase, triple fed and the wiring is uniquely airframe specific. I can recall a last minute no-go problem which only revealed itself after over 100 fuses had blown; the wiring was 30 years younger then.
I'm not a damp squib by nature but I think this enterprise is fraught with danger and should be left to lie fallow; we've all been shaving with the Ark Royal for 30 years, this is no different let's just preserve the static diplay airframes properly and have done with it.
Nothing matters very much, most things don't matter at all.
You may know that its a comletely electric aeroplane, a lot of it is triple phase, triple fed and the wiring is uniquely airframe specific. I can recall a last minute no-go problem which only revealed itself after over 100 fuses had blown; the wiring was 30 years younger then.
I'm not a damp squib by nature but I think this enterprise is fraught with danger and should be left to lie fallow; we've all been shaving with the Ark Royal for 30 years, this is no different let's just preserve the static diplay airframes properly and have done with it.
Nothing matters very much, most things don't matter at all.
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Beeayeate,
It would only be a malicious rumour if I said Damien was Mr Walton… I didn’t I, only asked a question. But like you said… it was banter! Anyway, not to worry about that!
Sorry, excuse my ignorance but I’m not sure what point you are tying to make about bringing Canberra WT346 back from New Zealand. Sorry… Please can you explain? I’m assuming that they have applied for lottery funding?
It would only be a malicious rumour if I said Damien was Mr Walton… I didn’t I, only asked a question. But like you said… it was banter! Anyway, not to worry about that!
Sorry, excuse my ignorance but I’m not sure what point you are tying to make about bringing Canberra WT346 back from New Zealand. Sorry… Please can you explain? I’m assuming that they have applied for lottery funding?
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'Twas a bit off-topic in this thread I agree. This particular Cranberry was under discussion here a couple of threads back though, so I thought I'd drop it in the disussion here (maybe wrongly) as an example of something the lotto "could" possibly sanction - but don't hold your breath.
Point was, If the Vulc isn't getting lotto funding because, as said, private owner and complex/potential flyer etc, what would be the chances of the lotto shelling out to the RAF Museum in an effort to return another "heritage" aircraft to the UK. There is, unhappily, no current national or private interest group involved in such a project, it was just a thought. Will never happen though, why? because, as with most preservation projects (including 558) they generally come about through the "vision/determination" of a single individual. If, as time goes by, such a project matures into a trust, or group, or charity, this is a good thing - with 558 it hasn't. . . yet. A lot of preserved airframes in the UK have achieved this stage though, but I doubt many, if any, have received a single penny from the lottery funds.
If Air Atlantique can't get their Shackleton back into the UK with all their resources, what REAL chance has TVOC got?
Anyway, 'nuff of this, carry on that man.
Sorry, excuse my ignorance but I?m not sure what point you are tying to make about bringing Canberra WT346 back from New Zealand. Sorry? Please can you explain? I?m assuming that they have applied for lottery funding?
Point was, If the Vulc isn't getting lotto funding because, as said, private owner and complex/potential flyer etc, what would be the chances of the lotto shelling out to the RAF Museum in an effort to return another "heritage" aircraft to the UK. There is, unhappily, no current national or private interest group involved in such a project, it was just a thought. Will never happen though, why? because, as with most preservation projects (including 558) they generally come about through the "vision/determination" of a single individual. If, as time goes by, such a project matures into a trust, or group, or charity, this is a good thing - with 558 it hasn't. . . yet. A lot of preserved airframes in the UK have achieved this stage though, but I doubt many, if any, have received a single penny from the lottery funds.
If Air Atlantique can't get their Shackleton back into the UK with all their resources, what REAL chance has TVOC got?
Anyway, 'nuff of this, carry on that man.
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Just came to this thread quite late on and must comment about the Vulcan in Sunderland - it is not in "quite a state" - it is still structurally very sound and is currently undergoing a repaint. I know that a lot of work is planned to ensure this aircraft remains in a relatively good state of repair.
Most corrsoion is superficial and is capable of being treated so shouldn't be written off! Don't think what you see on the surface
is all you get!!
Must say that approaches for funding to get the aircraft undercover seem to come to nothing. It seems that as we already have 2 under cover in the uk the finances are not available to preserve any more.......
Most corrsoion is superficial and is capable of being treated so shouldn't be written off! Don't think what you see on the surface
is all you get!!
Must say that approaches for funding to get the aircraft undercover seem to come to nothing. It seems that as we already have 2 under cover in the uk the finances are not available to preserve any more.......
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As many have pointed out, the reason the Vulcan did not get a grant has more to do with the quality of the request and less to do with the imagined political bias of those who make the grants.
The Lottery Fund has made many grants for aviation heritage projects and for the preservation of specific historic aircraft. The RAF and those with an interest in military aviation have a good deal to thank the Lottery Fund for. In addition to the previously mentioned £9million grant for the Imperial War Museum at Duxford, the Fund has made the following grants:
Title: Royal Air Force Museum, Hendon - Development
Region: LONDON
Town: LONDON
Local Authority: Barnet
Grant Amount: £4772000
The RAF Museum is pre-eminent in the field of aviation museums in the UK and is the national repository for military aircraft. Its collection of over 200 aircraft is the largest in the UK. The collection includes some of the rarest and earliest machines in the world. The museum will create a new landmark building at RAF Hendon, to increase the number of aircraft on view and allow them to be displayed in a new and exciting manner.
Title: Wellington Hangar Refurbishment
Region: SE
Town: WEYBRIDGE
Local Authority: Elmbridge
Grant Amount: £994000
A grant of £994,000 has been awarded to Brooklands Museum, near Weybridge, Surrey, towards improvements for its unique collection dedicated to aviation and motorsport. Repairs will be made to restore its Grade II listed Bellman hangar - the Wellington Hangar - back to its wartime appearance, creating a better home for the aircraft and associated memorabilia. Some items will be displayed for the first time, with improved interpretation.
Title: Duxford Civil Airliners, Restoration and Preservation
Region: EE
Town: Duxford
Local Authority: South Cambridgeshire
Grant Amount: £314500
Duxford Aviation Society will restore five British civil airliners dating from 1945-1974 listed by the British Aircraft Preservation Council National Aviation Heritage Register as being of national and operational significance. The five are: the Handley Page Hermes constructed in 1945 and in use until 1962; the Avro York 1946-1964; the Airspeed Ambassador 1952-1971; the de Havilland Comet 4 1958-1973; and the Concorde 1974-7. All the work will take place in public view and will serve to raise public awareness of the importance of historic preservation and interest in participating in it.
Title: 1903 Wright Flier Replica - Acquisition
Region: YH
Town: YORK
Local Authority: York
Grant Amount: £10000
This grant will fund the acquisition of one of only three replicas in Europe of the 1903 Wright Flier for the Yorkshire Air Museum. The museum is the largest World War II Bomber Command Station open to the public in the country and is a living memorial to the Allied Air Forces who served in Yorkshire during the war. The acquisition is of significant importance, primarily for educational value, and will greatly contribute to the museum`s development on aviation history. The aircraft will remain in Yorkshire where it was constructed and made its first flight. Local volunteers will be encouraged to get involved in the care and interpretation of the aircraft.
Title: Aviation And Heritage Centre
Region: WMID
Town: Shifnal
Local Authority: Bridgnorth
Grant Amount: £1520222
The Aerospace Museum at Cosford is one of the most important and popular museums in the West Midlands, attracting some 117,000 visitors each year to see its collections. Over 80 aircraft, 50 aeroengines, 40 missiles and military vehicles are exhibited at Cosford, which is situated on an airfield site surrounded by parkland in rural Shropshire. The museum is renowned for its national collection of Research and Development Aircraft, wartime and post-war military aircraft, including captured enemy aircraft, the British Airways Museum Collection and a collection of rockets and missiles, reputed to be the finest in the world. In Phase I of the Development Plan, the Museum upgraded its exhibition halls. Phase II will concentrate on improving facilities for visitors. The grant from the Heritage Lottery Fund will enable the Museum to build an aviation Heritage and Training Centre which will incorporate visitor reception facilities including modern toilets and amenities for people with disabilities, a restaurant, museum shop, offices and a conference centre. The new building will release space in the exhibition halls for artefacts currently in store, for a temporary exhibition gallery, an education centre and for the conservation of exhibits. It will also provide accommodation for the Museum`s growing number of volunteers.
Title: Royal Air Force Museum, Hendon - Development
Region: LONDON
Town: LONDON
Local Authority: Barnet
Grant Amount: £79200
The RAF museum in Hendon is the national repository for military aircraft and is one of the five great air museums in the world. The grant will be used as development funding towards the projected construction of a new landmark building for the display of the collections.
Title: Royal Wessex
Region: SW
Town: WESTON-SUPER-MARE
Local Authority: North Somerset
Grant Amount: £89955
The Helicopter Museum has acquired the Queen`s helicopter for its collection. the helicopter, a customised Westland Wessex HCC.4, was built at Yeovil in Somerset in 1969, serving with the Royal Flight until the unit was privatised and handed over to a civil contractor in 1998. Since then the Wessex has been in storage at RAF Shawbury in Shropshire.
I could go on...........
The Lottery Fund has made many grants for aviation heritage projects and for the preservation of specific historic aircraft. The RAF and those with an interest in military aviation have a good deal to thank the Lottery Fund for. In addition to the previously mentioned £9million grant for the Imperial War Museum at Duxford, the Fund has made the following grants:
Title: Royal Air Force Museum, Hendon - Development
Region: LONDON
Town: LONDON
Local Authority: Barnet
Grant Amount: £4772000
The RAF Museum is pre-eminent in the field of aviation museums in the UK and is the national repository for military aircraft. Its collection of over 200 aircraft is the largest in the UK. The collection includes some of the rarest and earliest machines in the world. The museum will create a new landmark building at RAF Hendon, to increase the number of aircraft on view and allow them to be displayed in a new and exciting manner.
Title: Wellington Hangar Refurbishment
Region: SE
Town: WEYBRIDGE
Local Authority: Elmbridge
Grant Amount: £994000
A grant of £994,000 has been awarded to Brooklands Museum, near Weybridge, Surrey, towards improvements for its unique collection dedicated to aviation and motorsport. Repairs will be made to restore its Grade II listed Bellman hangar - the Wellington Hangar - back to its wartime appearance, creating a better home for the aircraft and associated memorabilia. Some items will be displayed for the first time, with improved interpretation.
Title: Duxford Civil Airliners, Restoration and Preservation
Region: EE
Town: Duxford
Local Authority: South Cambridgeshire
Grant Amount: £314500
Duxford Aviation Society will restore five British civil airliners dating from 1945-1974 listed by the British Aircraft Preservation Council National Aviation Heritage Register as being of national and operational significance. The five are: the Handley Page Hermes constructed in 1945 and in use until 1962; the Avro York 1946-1964; the Airspeed Ambassador 1952-1971; the de Havilland Comet 4 1958-1973; and the Concorde 1974-7. All the work will take place in public view and will serve to raise public awareness of the importance of historic preservation and interest in participating in it.
Title: 1903 Wright Flier Replica - Acquisition
Region: YH
Town: YORK
Local Authority: York
Grant Amount: £10000
This grant will fund the acquisition of one of only three replicas in Europe of the 1903 Wright Flier for the Yorkshire Air Museum. The museum is the largest World War II Bomber Command Station open to the public in the country and is a living memorial to the Allied Air Forces who served in Yorkshire during the war. The acquisition is of significant importance, primarily for educational value, and will greatly contribute to the museum`s development on aviation history. The aircraft will remain in Yorkshire where it was constructed and made its first flight. Local volunteers will be encouraged to get involved in the care and interpretation of the aircraft.
Title: Aviation And Heritage Centre
Region: WMID
Town: Shifnal
Local Authority: Bridgnorth
Grant Amount: £1520222
The Aerospace Museum at Cosford is one of the most important and popular museums in the West Midlands, attracting some 117,000 visitors each year to see its collections. Over 80 aircraft, 50 aeroengines, 40 missiles and military vehicles are exhibited at Cosford, which is situated on an airfield site surrounded by parkland in rural Shropshire. The museum is renowned for its national collection of Research and Development Aircraft, wartime and post-war military aircraft, including captured enemy aircraft, the British Airways Museum Collection and a collection of rockets and missiles, reputed to be the finest in the world. In Phase I of the Development Plan, the Museum upgraded its exhibition halls. Phase II will concentrate on improving facilities for visitors. The grant from the Heritage Lottery Fund will enable the Museum to build an aviation Heritage and Training Centre which will incorporate visitor reception facilities including modern toilets and amenities for people with disabilities, a restaurant, museum shop, offices and a conference centre. The new building will release space in the exhibition halls for artefacts currently in store, for a temporary exhibition gallery, an education centre and for the conservation of exhibits. It will also provide accommodation for the Museum`s growing number of volunteers.
Title: Royal Air Force Museum, Hendon - Development
Region: LONDON
Town: LONDON
Local Authority: Barnet
Grant Amount: £79200
The RAF museum in Hendon is the national repository for military aircraft and is one of the five great air museums in the world. The grant will be used as development funding towards the projected construction of a new landmark building for the display of the collections.
Title: Royal Wessex
Region: SW
Town: WESTON-SUPER-MARE
Local Authority: North Somerset
Grant Amount: £89955
The Helicopter Museum has acquired the Queen`s helicopter for its collection. the helicopter, a customised Westland Wessex HCC.4, was built at Yeovil in Somerset in 1969, serving with the Royal Flight until the unit was privatised and handed over to a civil contractor in 1998. Since then the Wessex has been in storage at RAF Shawbury in Shropshire.
I could go on...........
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Out of the seven items on your non-exhaustive list only three concerned actual aircraft! Of those three, the airliners are hardly military and ex-Royal Flight's Wessex is not really "representative". Your short list shows that from the £7.7 million listed only £414.5K was for actual aircraft, the rest, £7.3 million, was for buildings, amenities and suchlike - not a very good balance is it? I realise that such enterprises must have infrastructure but surely these huge grants can only add to the value of the site itself not it's aircraft.
Maybe, then, TVOC have taken the wrong approach as you say. Maybe they should have applied for a grant to build a new hangar (like, say, Duxford's US mushroom), facilities for volunteers, carparks, etc. Then as part of their bid, written in that their Vulc would be used to fly in the bricks and girders and stuff but it need making servicable first.
Out of the seven items on your non-exhaustive list only three concerned actual aircraft! Of those three, the airliners are hardly military and ex-Royal Flight's Wessex is not really "representative". Your short list shows that from the £7.7 million listed only £414.5K was for actual aircraft, the rest, £7.3 million, was for buildings, amenities and suchlike - not a very good balance is it? I realise that such enterprises must have infrastructure but surely these huge grants can only add to the value of the site itself not it's aircraft.
Maybe, then, TVOC have taken the wrong approach as you say. Maybe they should have applied for a grant to build a new hangar (like, say, Duxford's US mushroom), facilities for volunteers, carparks, etc. Then as part of their bid, written in that their Vulc would be used to fly in the bricks and girders and stuff but it need making servicable first.
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The other interesting point to note about the previous list is that the bulk of the money goes to those large organisations that already are extremely well funded. Those trying to preserve our military heritage with fewer resources (or with a single aircraft like the Vulcan) generally don't seem to get a look in. I think we are in danger of having preservation based in Hendon, Duxford and Cosford and if you don't live near there - tough!
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My point was to counter some of the more hysterical rantings against the Lottery Fund by the ill-informed and gullible Daily Mail reading element herein, rather than to prove the Fund is the patron saint of military aircraft restorers.
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Richard Branson = Avoid like the plague if at all possible.
He may be seen by joe public as a kind, generous callenger to all things. But thats just an image. Take a closer look at the man and what he does, then you will see the true picture.
All these challenges (boats, ballons etc.) he is involved in, he takes control and turns them in to a virgin brand publicity drive. Forcing out all other involved. Just have a chat to Chay Blythe about the atlantic crossing project he started. That turned in to a virgin only thing and he wasn't even allowed to promote his own boat company in the end....
Don't open that can of worms.
Anyway. I hope the big V takes to the Uk skies again. I put my money were my mouth was last year and gave them £ 50-00.
E & OE
He may be seen by joe public as a kind, generous callenger to all things. But thats just an image. Take a closer look at the man and what he does, then you will see the true picture.
All these challenges (boats, ballons etc.) he is involved in, he takes control and turns them in to a virgin brand publicity drive. Forcing out all other involved. Just have a chat to Chay Blythe about the atlantic crossing project he started. That turned in to a virgin only thing and he wasn't even allowed to promote his own boat company in the end....
Don't open that can of worms.
Anyway. I hope the big V takes to the Uk skies again. I put my money were my mouth was last year and gave them £ 50-00.
E & OE
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Iouldnt be Ar4ed reading all this thread, but I remember watching a Vulc at woodford many yrs ago and wondering how it stayed airborne. I swear it was only doing 30mph in some of those turns.
I dont think I have ever been more impressed at an airshow
-except for the young thai lady at Blackpool when I was about 13, who was wearing a black string vest and no bra.
Whatever happened to Lusty Lindy, that Victor thingy. Do they still blat that up and down the runway?
I dont think I have ever been more impressed at an airshow
-except for the young thai lady at Blackpool when I was about 13, who was wearing a black string vest and no bra.
Whatever happened to Lusty Lindy, that Victor thingy. Do they still blat that up and down the runway?
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Firstly, I must apologise for not reading this thread first and starting another off in the Nostalgia section.
I would agree that the info coming out of TVOC or Bruntingthorpe is pretty awful. I am an associate member (£250 for that), and have received 3 emails in about 2 years despite being promised a lot of other things. However, I don't really care about that, I would love to see her return to the skies.
As I mentioned on the other thread, my father was involved in the flights trials of the Vulcan and I accompanied him to a lecture by Dr Fleming (ph, sorry its a few years ago) at the Royal Aeronautical Society lecture in London. My father raised various points of safety, mainly surrounding the fact that flying the Vulcan would be hard on the old parts, but displaying it is going to test everything to the maximum. (My father has had many experiences of the pfc's going dead including an interesting one where one half of them went U/S in flight and decided to go fully down (not that it was supposed to happen). Only relatively stable conditions allowed for a safe landing to be made.) Mr Fleming dismissed all of his points as "not a concern" as all the parts would be overhauled etc.
Anyway, I am not sure what input the ex-VDF gave/are giving to Mr Walton in terms of what the main challenges are, hopefully a lot. I would be most interested to hear of some of the big-issues 558 had during her last season as I have many a fond memory of her.
Finally, Damien, if you want to get her in the air again, organise a professional campaign to get it done. I know you have employed so called professionals before and they just took your money. She will never fly unless you find a proper project leader, somebody with a bit of go.
Good luck in any case
I would agree that the info coming out of TVOC or Bruntingthorpe is pretty awful. I am an associate member (£250 for that), and have received 3 emails in about 2 years despite being promised a lot of other things. However, I don't really care about that, I would love to see her return to the skies.
As I mentioned on the other thread, my father was involved in the flights trials of the Vulcan and I accompanied him to a lecture by Dr Fleming (ph, sorry its a few years ago) at the Royal Aeronautical Society lecture in London. My father raised various points of safety, mainly surrounding the fact that flying the Vulcan would be hard on the old parts, but displaying it is going to test everything to the maximum. (My father has had many experiences of the pfc's going dead including an interesting one where one half of them went U/S in flight and decided to go fully down (not that it was supposed to happen). Only relatively stable conditions allowed for a safe landing to be made.) Mr Fleming dismissed all of his points as "not a concern" as all the parts would be overhauled etc.
Anyway, I am not sure what input the ex-VDF gave/are giving to Mr Walton in terms of what the main challenges are, hopefully a lot. I would be most interested to hear of some of the big-issues 558 had during her last season as I have many a fond memory of her.
Finally, Damien, if you want to get her in the air again, organise a professional campaign to get it done. I know you have employed so called professionals before and they just took your money. She will never fly unless you find a proper project leader, somebody with a bit of go.
Good luck in any case
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Norodnik,
Enjoyed reading your posting, particularly the bit about how you have received very little from the VOC, despite your most generous donation. I fear Sir, you are not alone.
Regretably this forum seems to have faded into obscurity, but I hope that this brings it back to the 'for, and we can elicit some form of 'official' response from the club.
It is, however, desperately sad that none of the questions and points raised by myself and The Grob Driver have received any form of 'official' responce whatsoever.
Based on the fact that Damien has gone to extreme lengths to defend Mr Walton to the hilt, and dismiss every negative comment ever made against him, particularly these 'scurilous rumours!' I do find it all rather surprising and a little dissapointing, don't you?
So come on Damien, you've had plenty of time to draft some kind of official comment/press release to answer the questions posed, where are you??
Maybe you could specifically answer the previous subscribers comment about three e-mails, two years and £250.00 Hum, £83.33 per e-mail, that's not bad going that! And you wonder why people like me a sceptical eh??
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Enjoyed reading your posting, particularly the bit about how you have received very little from the VOC, despite your most generous donation. I fear Sir, you are not alone.
Regretably this forum seems to have faded into obscurity, but I hope that this brings it back to the 'for, and we can elicit some form of 'official' response from the club.
It is, however, desperately sad that none of the questions and points raised by myself and The Grob Driver have received any form of 'official' responce whatsoever.
Based on the fact that Damien has gone to extreme lengths to defend Mr Walton to the hilt, and dismiss every negative comment ever made against him, particularly these 'scurilous rumours!' I do find it all rather surprising and a little dissapointing, don't you?
So come on Damien, you've had plenty of time to draft some kind of official comment/press release to answer the questions posed, where are you??
Maybe you could specifically answer the previous subscribers comment about three e-mails, two years and £250.00 Hum, £83.33 per e-mail, that's not bad going that! And you wonder why people like me a sceptical eh??
Regards
The swinging Monkey
'Forward 10 and Right, that's better Jonesy!'
