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Any clues on this conversion? It is said that a -51 was converted to a two seat configuration from which Eisenhower surveyed the D Day beaches , could this be it?



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Shirley Ike would have had a 'D' model converted not an 'A' model.
Anyway he would more likely have used a Cub or Sentinel.
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He flew in a modified P51 B on 4th July - newsreel below from youtoob

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Nice video,
wrong title.
Battle of the bulge was a surprise offensive by the Germans, in December not a thing you could prepare for in summer weather.
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43-6593 (84th FS, 78th FG) was damaged on landing at Duxford on 10 Apr 1945 and as evidenced by the photo in a post above, was already war weary by that date. It was subsequently converted to 2 seater for use by 78th FG at Duxford.

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That top photo could well be Duxford, which still has that Belfast Truss type of hangar - not as many as before a film outfit blew up a couple without permission. Battle of Britain film, I think?
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Great Video Ron, many thanks !
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Originally Posted by kenparry View Post
That top photo could well be Duxford, which still has that Belfast Truss type of hangar - not as many as before a film outfit blew up a couple without permission. Battle of Britain film, I think?
It was Battle of Britain at Duxford but they only(!) blew up one without permission - the sole single bay hangar. All the double bay ones, as in the photo, are still there.
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Eisenhower's pilot that day was Maj Gen 'Pete' Quesada, CG IX Fighter Command. Both men were reprimanded by Generals Bradley and Arnold for risking capture.
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Originally Posted by Self loading bear View Post
Nice video,
wrong title.
Battle of the bulge was a surprise offensive by the Germans, in December not a thing you could prepare for in summer weather.
Yes I spotted that as well - this newsreel was presumably filmed at an Advanced Landing Ground (ALG) not too far from the Beachead,the date of 4th July confirms it was not that long after D Day.
Maybe filmed not too far from St Lo ??
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Perhaps filmed at ALG 'A2' Criqueville,as the 354th were based there Jun/July 1944 .
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The two photos that started the thread are also here: https://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/21298 along with the rest of its history, but only minimal notes about the two-seat conversion (click on 'show caption' for the first image). I guess that was done to support its 'conversion from P-47' role.
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Many thanks all, curiosity satisfied. Another of historys vignettes.
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Originally Posted by kenparry View Post
That top photo could well be Duxford, which still has that Belfast Truss type of hangar - not as many as before a film outfit blew up a couple without permission. Battle of Britain film, I think?
I woud have said Hendon.
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Why would a Mustang, known to be based at Duxford, be at Hendon?
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What puzzles me is that the image of it stood on its nose shows it in single seat configuration, no malcolm hood visible and the radio mast is in the usual place just aft of the opening top canopy section, and yet this is captioned as being the incident that ended its days.
The other image shows it with the malcolm hood fitted and the radio mast relocated towards the fin, as you would expect from for its intended role as a trainer.
I wonder if the damage done in the nose over came first and during the repair job (a replacement wing and prop) the conversion to two seater was carried out.
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Why would a Mustang, known to be based at Duxford, be at Hendon
Because they did get around, 43-6623 crashed on takeoff from Speke (airport for Liverpool) Feb 18, 1943 and SOC. Sent to USAF Base Air Depot 2 (Now RAF Warton) where it was combined with other P-51B's parts that had been dropped while being unloaded at Liverpool docks and rebuilt as an unarmed two seater named *Spare Parts*. It was used for delivering urgent small spares, as a VIP transport and (amongst other things but probably most importantly) fetching bulk supplies of Scotch whiskey from a distillery in Glasgow! In late 1944 it suffered engine failure whilst flying over the Irish Sea off Blackpool and the two occupants had to bail out; they were safely rescued, but 'Spare Parts' crashed into the sea.
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
I woud have said Hendon.
Hendon hangars had the solid-panel sliding doors, Duxford hangars had/have the folding concertina-type doors shown in the OP photograph.
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Originally Posted by Sepp View Post
43-6593 (84th FS, 78th FG) was damaged on landing at Duxford on 10 Apr 1945 and....
The link I posted a few posts back has the date for the landing accident as 10 Apr 1944. If this landing accident led to the conversion, a 1944 date sounds more plausible to me. Lots of ifs though...
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