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Old 24th Mar 2020, 16:25
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Great thread, this. Me and my parents popped into Stansted on the way back from London in, I think, about 1986 or so and as has been mentioned, there were loads of exotic aircraft sitting around but nothing actually moving. I've got some old photos (probably not very good quality) that I'll scan and upload.

Has anyone got any aerial photos of the airfield or in particular the old terminal and apron? Would be interesting to see the contrast between then and now...

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Blimey, Kate was a tad older than me. One of my favourites.

My mate Paddy lived in Tye Green. Tye Green Cottage in fact. Leather thongs to open the wood latched doors. Lovely. Handy for Lloyd.

Early 60's. Southend flying school. Auster. Land at Stansted and pay two and sixpence. Go to tower for a chat and coffee. Go back to Southend. No other aircraft movements in that time. Indeed, in 1970, regularly flew past Stansted at night in G-APGE, my little Club. It was my commute from Luton, (DAN 1-11) to Frinton. The white Stansted beacon Flash . . . . . Flash . . . Flash. Very comforting when on one engine at night. Nothing else in the sky. They were super friendly as they'd had no one else to talk to.

What a different world. Never dreamed it would change so much. In my old age I occasionally used to leave Norwich in an ATR c 21.00. I could not get a word in on the radio and once had to orbit before entering their space. Compared to 'my era' it was as though the sky was solid metal. Ugggg.

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Old 25th Mar 2020, 04:02
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean View Post

Air France flew to Paris CDG with a SAAB 340 along with KLM to Amsterdam with a F27.

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I think you'll find that the F27 AMS service was actually Air UK, sure enough on a codeshare with KLM but Air UK all the same.

During the min eighties summer seasons Dan-Air would base a jet in STN, maybe a 1-11 or 727, for bucket and spade work.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 06:44
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Originally Posted by jensdad View Post
Great thread, this. Me and my parents popped into Stansted on the way back from London in, I think, about 1986 or so and as has been mentioned, there were loads of exotic aircraft sitting around but nothing actually moving. I've got some old photos (probably not very good quality) that I'll scan and upload.

Has anyone got any aerial photos of the airfield or in particular the old terminal and apron? Would be interesting to see the contrast between then and now...
Look at post 11 and follow the link supplied by Rog 747.

If you go to Flickr there are several aerial photos of London Stansted Airport from the 1960's upto the present time. Also try doing a Google search as there are several online.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 08:18
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Originally Posted by Phileas Fogg View Post
I think you'll find that the F27 AMS service was actually Air UK, sure enough on a codeshare with KLM but Air UK all the same.

During the min eighties summer seasons Dan-Air would base a jet in STN, maybe a 1-11 or 727, for bucket and spade work.
I'm obviously aware of the Air UK flight from London Stansted Airport to Amsterdam along with the code share with KLM but I could swear that I saw a separate KLM flight listed from London Stansted Airport to Amsterdam with a F27 at the same time as the Air UK flight.

(BAA) British Airports Authority used to have a newsletter which I used to collect and I thought that I could vividly remember an announcement by KLM but I've obviously got that mixed up with the code share with Air UK. (One mistake isn't bad considering)

I had completely overlooked the fact that Dan Air operated from London Stansted Airport during the 1980's.

In early 1986 Gatwick Handling Limited set up a London Stansted operation called Stansted Handling Limited to handle the Dan Air charters during 1986 with a based BAC-1-11.

After the completion of the Dan Air series of charter flights in 1986 Stansted Handling Limited kept on a staff of 35 to handle ad-hoc charters including the occasional Evergreen and Worldways Canada flights.

During the summer months of 1986.

​​Dan Air flew from London Stansted Airport to Faro, Ibiza, Malaga, Mahon, Palma.

Some additional charters for 1986 not already covered include the following,

Aviaco DC-9 to Palma Saturday afternoons
Aviogenex TU-134 to Split on Saturday evenings and B727 to Pula on Sunday evenings
Balkan Bulgarian TU-154 to Bourgas on Saturday evenings
British Air Ferries Viscount to Jersey on Sunday morning's
Hispania B737 to Palma and Tenerife on Tuesday's

Plus the Scandinavian charters

Braathens SAFE B737 to Gothenburg, Oslo (Gardermoen), Stockholm (Arlanda) on Sunday
Conair B720 to Copenhagen on Saturday evenings
Linjeflyg F28 to Norrkoping, Stockholm (Arlanda) on Sunday
Mearsk B737 to Malmö on Sunday evening's
Scanair A300 to Stockholm (Arlanda) on Sunday evening's
Sterling Airlines B727 to Stockholm (Stockholm) on Sunday evening's and Caravelle's to Copenhagen on Friday and Sunday morning's
Transwede Caravelle to Gothenburg on Sunday evening's

Also during 1986 the following scheduled flights

Air UK SD330/360, F27 to Amsterdam, Brussels, Edinburgh, Frankfurt, Guernsey, Paris
Jersey European Airways SD330 to Jersey on weekday morning's
Wardair B747 to Toronto on Saturday afternoon's (summer only)

Plus a short series of trans-Atlantic charter flights by the following

American Trans Air L1011 to Orlando (day's unknown)
Worldways Canada DC8 to Toronto (day's unknown)

Cargo flights by the following

Air Bridge Carriers Merchantman to Belfast on Saturday night's (newspaper flights)
FedEx DC10 to Memphis three day's a week (day's unknown)
Kondair Trislander/Cessna Titan to Amsterdam (newspaper flights)
Plus the Fordair flights to Cologne and Valencia by BAC-11 and Coventry and Liverpool by Gulfstream 1
Securicor/Skyguard Herald from Birmingham and on to Brussels on Tuesday to Friday evening's

This is JUST for the year 1986.

Anyone want to add the charters/scheduled flights for other year's feel free to do so.

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Old 25th Mar 2020, 08:46
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean View Post
I'm obviously aware of the Air UK flight from London Stansted Airport to Amsterdam along with the code share with KLM but I could swear that I saw a separate KLM flight listed from London Stansted Airport to Amsterdam with a F27 at the same time as the Air UK flight.

(BAA) British Airports Authority used to have a newsletter which I used to collect and I thought that I could vividly remember an announcement by KLM but I've obviously got that mixed up with the code share with Air UK. (One mistake isn't bad considering)

I had completely overlooked the fact that Dan Air operated from London Stansted Airport during the 1980's.

In early 1986 Gatwick Handling Limited set up a London Stansted operation called Stansted Handling Limited to handle the Dan Air charters during 1986 with a based BAC-1-11.

After the completion of the Dan Air series of charter flights in 1986 Stansted Handling Limited kept on a staff of 35 to handle ad-hoc charters including the occasional Evergreen and Worldways Canada flights.

During the summer months of 1986.

​​Dan Air flew from London Stansted Airport to Faro, Ibiza, Malaga, Mahon, Palma.

Some additional charters for 1986 not already covered include the following,

Aviaco DC-9 to Palma Saturday afternoons
Aviogenex TU-134 to Split on Saturday evenings and B727 to Pula on Sunday evenings
Balkan Bulgarian TU-154 to Bourgas on Saturday evenings
British Air Ferries Viscount to Jersey on Sunday morning's
Hispania B737 to Palma and Tenerife on Tuesday's

Plus the Scandinavian charters

Braathens SAFE B737 to Gothenburg, Oslo (Gardermoen), Stockholm (Arlanda) on Sunday
Conair B720 to Copenhagen on Saturday evenings
Mearsk B737 to Malmö on Sunday evening's
Scanair A300 to Stockholm on Sunday evening's
Sterling Airlines B727 to Stockholm on Sunday evening's and Caravelle's to Copenhagen on Friday and Sunday morning's
Transwede Caravelle to Gothenburg on Sunday evening's

Also during 1986 the following scheduled flights

Air UK SD360, F27 to Amsterdam, Brussels, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Guernsey, Paris
Jersey European Airways SD330 to Jersey on weekday morning's
Wardair B747 to Toronto on Saturday afternoon's (summer only)

Plus a short series of trans-Atlantic charter flights by the following

American Trans Air L1011 to Orlando (day's unknown)
Worldways Canada DC8 to Toronto (day's unknown)

Cargo flights by the following

Air Bridge Carriers Merchantman to Belfast on Saturday night's (newspaper flights)
FedEx DC10 to Memphis three day's a week (day's unknown)
Kondair Trislander/Cessna Titan to Amsterdam (newspaper flights)
Plus the Fordair flights to Cologne and Valencia by BAC-11 and Coventry and Liverpool by Gulfstream 1
Securicor/Skyguard Herald from Birmingham and on to Brussels on Tuesday to Friday evening's

This is JUST for the year 1986.

Anyone want to add the charters/scheduled flights for other year's feel free to do so.
Around 86/87 AUK also operated a Shed360 route STN/DUS, when asked by German ATC if he had a slot the ex WWll Captain replied to the effect that he didn't need a slot last time he flew the route

It must have been 87 that AUK started a STN/FRA F27 route, had an average load of around 2 pax but who cares about trivialities!

AUK, never mind the 360's, also had a Shed330, for sure that operated the pee-poor STN/BRU route, can't recall what else it might have done except keep engineering staff occupied.

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Old 25th Mar 2020, 10:18
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Originally Posted by Phileas Fogg View Post
Around 86/87 AUK also operated a Shed360 route STN/DUS, when asked by German ATC if he had a slot the ex WWll Captain replied to the effect that he didn't need a slot last time he flew the route

It must have been 87 that AUK started a STN/FRA F27 route, had an average load of around 2 pax but who cares about trivialities!

AUK, never mind the 360's, also had a Shed330, for sure that operated the pee-poor STN/BRU route, can't recall what else it might have done except keep engineering staff occupied.
I accidentally ommited the Air UK SD330, I will edit my post to show this.

Air UK STN-DUS started in 1987 and I believe STN-FRA started in 1988 or late 1987.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 10:42
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean View Post
I accidentally ommited the Air UK SD330, I will edit my post to show this.

Air UK STN-DUS started in 1987 and I believe STN-FRA started in 1988 or late 1987.
STN/FRA definitely started in 87 because it was a NWI/STN/FRA service and until late 87 we remained based in NWI, until our relocation to STN, and I recall the crack of sparrow farts departures to STN ... And on the NWI/STN sector could be onwards pax to CDG or BRU (transferring aircraft in STN).

Air UK's STN/AMS/STN service was operated by Sheds until, must be, 87 before becoming an F27 route except that the Sunday morning service remained a Shed360 STN/NWI/AMS/NWI/STN combined route.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 10:46
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STN/FRA definitely started in 87 because it was a NWI/STN/FRA service and until late 87 we remained based in NWI, until our relocation to STN, and I recall the crack of sparrow farts departures to STN ... And on the NWI/STN sector could be onwards pax to CDG or BRU (transferring aircraft in STN).

Air UK's STN/AMS/STN service was operated by Sheds until, must be, 87 before becoming an F27 route except that the Sunday morning service remained a Shed360 STN/NWI/AMS/NWI/STN combined route.
That sorts that out then for future reference but it doesn't really matter as my post was ONLY referencing flights from London Stansted Airport during 1986.

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Old 25th Mar 2020, 10:53
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I see from my passenger logbook (OK it's anorak time) that I flew Frankfurt to Stansted on Air UK Flt no UK725 on 5/12/86. It was one of Phileas Fogg's F27 flights which, if I remember correctly, had 4 passengers on it. There was a strong headwind and the captain came back and said words to the effect "it's going to be a long night" and opened a free bar which helped with the drone of the Darts. It actually took 2hrs and 10 minutes, almost exactly twice the average sector time of the .BAe.146s which followed the F27s on the route
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I see from my passenger logbook (OK it's anorak time) that I flew Frankfurt to Stansted on Air UK Flt no UK725 on 5/12/86. It was one of Phileas Fogg's F27 flights which, if I remember correctly, had 4 passengers on it. There was a strong headwind and the captain came back and said words to the effect "it's going to be a long night" and opened a free bar which helped with the drone of the Darts. It actually took 2hrs and 10 minutes, almost exactly twice the average sector time of the .BAe.146s which followed the F27s on the route
Do you know the date or at least the month in 1986 that Air UK started STN to Frankfurt?

Considering that you have logged the flight for 1986 I shall edit my post to add Frankfurt from STN by Air UK for that year but I will await confirmation from yourself regarding the start date before I do so.
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I'm afraid I don't have an exact date for the start of the Stansted-Frankfurt route but I would hazard a guess that it might have been the November that I flew on it. Purely on the basis that I liked to try something new and that Stansted was nearer home than Heathrow..
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I'm afraid I don't have an exact date for the start of the Stansted-Frankfurt route but I would hazard a guess that it might have been the November that I flew on it. Purely on the basis that I liked to try something new and that Stansted was nearer home than Heathrow..
In that respect then I shall edit my post to add Air UK Stansted to Frankfurt, thanks for clarifying that.
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I see from my passenger logbook (OK it's anorak time) that I flew Frankfurt to Stansted on Air UK Flt no UK725 on 5/12/86. It was one of Phileas Fogg's F27 flights which, if I remember correctly, had 4 passengers on it. There was a strong headwind and the captain came back and said words to the effect "it's going to be a long night" and opened a free bar which helped with the drone of the Darts. It actually took 2hrs and 10 minutes, almost exactly twice the average sector time of the .BAe.146s which followed the F27s on the route
Think yourself lucky, you could have been flying in a Shed

Yes, a load of 4 on a 44 seater sounds about right on that route!
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I'm sure I remember 'racing' with other tearaway teenagers on Saturday nights in the late 60's from Braintree to STN to get a cup of coffee in the airport caff, in clapped out Minis and Anglias and even a Rover 90 or 100 (headlight in the middle?) and such. This would have been after the pubs had shut - of course. Am I correct in remembering that when you turned off the A120 you had to cross the runway as the terminal in those days was on the other side. Many years later I was based there with the late Gill Airways. Happy Days.
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean View Post
In that respect then I shall edit my post to add Air UK Stansted to Frankfurt, thanks for clarifying that.
Thnking about it the FRA route must have started in 86, in 86 STN was purely a Shed base so they needed to utilise a NWI based F27 for the FRA route, STN only became a F27 base during 87, the route probably commenced at the start of the winter season ... whenever that may have been.
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A check of my log reveals a few STN IT flights:

18.07.83 Stansted to Mahon on Dan Air BAC1-11-401AK G-AXCP
01.08.83 Mahon to Stansted on Dan Air B737-2L9 G-BKAP
02.09.84 Stansted to Palma on Aviaco DC-9 reg unknown
16.09.84 Palma to Stansted on Aviaco DC-9 reg unknown
27.08.92 Stansted to Kos on Air UK Leisure B737-4YO G-UKLA
04.09.92 Kos to Stansted on Air UK Leisure B737-4YO G-UKLA

In the late 90's I also used to connect through AMS a fair bit with KLM, with the STN flights always a KLM UK Fokker 100

My father did a fair bit of European business travel in the 80's, particularly to Holland, Belgium and the Rhinelands. I would often pick him up at STN arriving back from say AMS in an Air UK Shed. If a 23 arrival, I would sit in the car by the fence at Claypit Hill with my air band radio listening to his flight inbound (Zone 125.55 and Tower 118.15 in those days?). When I saw his Shed land, would drive back to the terminal, from which he would just be emerging. Into the car and home to Stansted village in 10 minutes for tea.....and they reckon the world has advanced?
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Originally Posted by vulcanite View Post
I'm sure I remember 'racing' with other tearaway teenagers on Saturday nights in the late 60's from Braintree to STN to get a cup of coffee in the airport caff, in clapped out Minis and Anglias and even a Rover 90 or 100 (headlight in the middle?) and such. This would have been after the pubs had shut - of course. Am I correct in remembering that when you turned off the A120 you had to cross the runway as the terminal in those days was on the other side. Many years later I was based there with the late Gill Airways. Happy Days.
The only place to get a late coffee. We did much the same but probably early 70s. Didn't have to travel so far though. The road you remember didn't actually cross the runway as it was outside the perimeter fence, but it did have traffic lights to stop the traffic. Good thing as I seem to remember a CL44 flattening the fence after an overweight departure.
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Old Terminal and Apron Views



Looks like Titan Shorts 360 outside hangar

IL76 in Heavylift livery in background



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