Name that Flying Machine
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Agreed.
But the challenge crop comes from the silhouette above - showing wing trailing edge jets and a rather massive cockpit area.
The SB.4 had a very different jet placement - exhaust coming from the fuselage.
But the challenge crop comes from the silhouette above - showing wing trailing edge jets and a rather massive cockpit area.
The SB.4 had a very different jet placement - exhaust coming from the fuselage.
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A dull day in NSW.
Mel's silhouette is the Short SB-1 "Concept Bomber."
From here...
https://www.airvectors.net/avval.html
"Both Sperrin prototypes were scrapped in the late 1950s. Shorts also proposed a design based on the SA.4 for the more advanced B.35/46 specification, the "SB.1", featuring a fuselage like that of the SA.4 but with a "tailless" configuration, using the company's "aero-isoclinic" scheme. The outer sections of the wings were pivoted, allowing them to maintain the same incidence even as the wing flexed. The pivoted wingtips acted as both elevators, rotating together to control pitch, and ailerons, rotating in reverse direction to control roll. The SB.1 featured the engine arrangement of the SA.4, with twin Avons in nacelles arranged top and bottom of the wing, but with a fifth Avon added in the rear of the fuselage, with an intake on top.
The SB.1 was too daring for the Air Ministry, though the aero-isoclinic wing was tested on a small demonstrator, the "SB.4 Sherpa", in the early 1950s, with surprisingly good results. However, the aero-isoclinic configuration didn't really seem to have any major advantages over more conventional configurations, and that line of investigation proved a dead end. The Sherpa name would be recycled later for the Shorts 330 / C-23 light twin-engine light transport."
The Sherpa for comparison. Greg Goebel images I presume.
Mel's silhouette is the Short SB-1 "Concept Bomber."
From here...
https://www.airvectors.net/avval.html
"Both Sperrin prototypes were scrapped in the late 1950s. Shorts also proposed a design based on the SA.4 for the more advanced B.35/46 specification, the "SB.1", featuring a fuselage like that of the SA.4 but with a "tailless" configuration, using the company's "aero-isoclinic" scheme. The outer sections of the wings were pivoted, allowing them to maintain the same incidence even as the wing flexed. The pivoted wingtips acted as both elevators, rotating together to control pitch, and ailerons, rotating in reverse direction to control roll. The SB.1 featured the engine arrangement of the SA.4, with twin Avons in nacelles arranged top and bottom of the wing, but with a fifth Avon added in the rear of the fuselage, with an intake on top.
The SB.1 was too daring for the Air Ministry, though the aero-isoclinic wing was tested on a small demonstrator, the "SB.4 Sherpa", in the early 1950s, with surprisingly good results. However, the aero-isoclinic configuration didn't really seem to have any major advantages over more conventional configurations, and that line of investigation proved a dead end. The Sherpa name would be recycled later for the Shorts 330 / C-23 light twin-engine light transport."
The Sherpa for comparison. Greg Goebel images I presume.
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Well, my bad I'm afraid re the engines. It is indeed the engineless SB1.
Chevvron got to the right place but was spoofed by my misinformation
Noyade had the definitive answer.
Might I suggest that as there's something of a tie here it's a good opportunity to invite Senior Controller to pose the next challenge?
Chevvron got to the right place but was spoofed by my misinformation
Noyade had the definitive answer.
Might I suggest that as there's something of a tie here it's a good opportunity to invite Senior Controller to pose the next challenge?
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So I put my challenge again .
it is : name the nationally , the planned speed and the number of pax planned for this project .. to help a bit , it is not recent .
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Funny thing. I don't recall ever seeing this before but as I stared at the image I thought that wedge-tail somehow looked Aerospatiale, heaven knows why.
After a bit of digging I found something. I think it's a crude representation of one of several proposals for the Aerospatiale AGV project of mid '90s.
After a bit of digging I found something. I think it's a crude representation of one of several proposals for the Aerospatiale AGV project of mid '90s.
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Indeed : AGV stands for Avion a Grande Vitesse , to match the TGV train name ( Train a grande Vitesse )of tvat period
the specs were impressive , Mach 5 with 150 pax no windows / cockpit with cameras , but fuel
consumption and price killed the project
the specs were impressive , Mach 5 with 150 pax no windows / cockpit with cameras , but fuel
consumption and price killed the project
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