"Gone for a Burton"
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If not, can anyone suggest the reason for the Burton and billiard hall association?
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I agree that Burton cannot be demob suits and my father seemed to use it for hardware. People always 'went West' or 'got the chop', someone being made redundant would also 'get the chop'.
It may also be germane that my paternal grandfather was WWI so my father would have collected WWI slang in his childhood.
After the OED, does anyone have a copy of Brewers' Phrase & Fable to hand?
It may also be germane that my paternal grandfather was WWI so my father would have collected WWI slang in his childhood.
After the OED, does anyone have a copy of Brewers' Phrase & Fable to hand?
Re Burtons/snooker halls - I got my first suit from Burtons in Carlisle and played my first game of snooker upstairs.
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My copy of Brewer (1985) is not particularly helpful. ""Widely used in the services in World War II and said to have originated in the RAF."
It then makes the link between Burton on Trent and beer (it is, after all, Brewer's Dictionary...) "A token explanation for a person's absence could be 'He has gone for a Burton'" and then suggest that someone "down in the drink" might have gone for a Burton.
I have a vague recollection of hearing about beer adverts which featured a couple of chaps saying "Where's [name]?" "He's gone for a Burton..." but that might be wishful thinking on my part.
It then makes the link between Burton on Trent and beer (it is, after all, Brewer's Dictionary...) "A token explanation for a person's absence could be 'He has gone for a Burton'" and then suggest that someone "down in the drink" might have gone for a Burton.
I have a vague recollection of hearing about beer adverts which featured a couple of chaps saying "Where's [name]?" "He's gone for a Burton..." but that might be wishful thinking on my part.
I've a vague recollection of hearing that the phrase derives from the fact that the bodies of USAAF KIA were repatriated through RAF Burtonwood, but it could just be my memory playing tricks with me.
A page that poses the question with possibilities
Gone for a burton - meaning and origin.
The Burton beer ad is mentioned elsewhere on the net, and as the above page mentions, if it were so, someone should have been able to access it by now.
Gone for a burton - meaning and origin.
The Burton beer ad is mentioned elsewhere on the net, and as the above page mentions, if it were so, someone should have been able to access it by now.
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Several people on here doubt the Burton the Tailor explanation simply because it is not an establishment frequented by the officer class.
So, what proportion of WWII aircrew were officers?
So, what proportion of WWII aircrew were officers?
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Trawling the net I've managed to find a beer mat with the phrase "why don't you go for a Burton?" No date on it though, so it's a bit chicken and egg.
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It certainly features in that old poem about Beaufighters.
http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Readings/beau.html
http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Readings/beau.html
Many years ago I worked with a former hair yars e techie who would often remark that so and so had gone for a 'posh burton'. When I asked, he told me that, before WW2, when 'officers and gentlemen' failed their flying training, they were sent off to be measured for a smart suit before rejoining civvy street.
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Hope this helps
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I have a vague recollection of hearing about beer adverts which featured a couple of chaps saying "Where's [name]?" "He's gone for a Burton..." but that might be wishful thinking on my part.
I have a vague recollection of hearing about beer adverts which featured a couple of chaps saying "Where's [name]?" "He's gone for a Burton..." but that might be wishful thinking on my part.
There is a Marston's beer mat on ebay with the the theme 'gone for a burton'. I am sure I have seen other advertising materials in the past. But the beer mat is finally proof positive that the phrase has been used this way. This does not mean that the phrase may not mean something different to other people. That is after all the way a living language works and develops.
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Please could we have pictures or links for the beer mat and the advert? If either or both date from before 1941, it could clear up a lexicographical puzzle.
Trivial, perhaps, but what isn't?
Trivial, perhaps, but what isn't?
I am not sure of the date when this beer mat was produced. What it proves is that a brewery has been using the phrase in this way. Whether this is a repeat of an earlier campaign or something entirely different is difficult to say.
Sorry I do not seem to be able to post this picture. But if you google 'beer coaster gone for a marstons bitter' you should be able to find it.
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I am not sure of the date when this beer mat was produced. What it proves is that a brewery has been using the phrase in this way. Whether this is a repeat of an earlier campaign or something entirely different is difficult to say.
Sorry I do not seem to be able to post this picture. But if you google 'beer coaster gone for a marstons bitter' you should be able to find it.
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Wander00 (your #7), and subsequent Posts.
I clearly recall that in '53 or '54, Monty's sold me:
A No.1 SD for £13/15.
A Crombie Greatcoat for £15/15.
A barathea battledress (No.?) for £12/15. (Multiply by 26 for inflation)
whether authorised or not. The trick was to be of a stock size (I was lucky). The barathea and Crombie were of equal quality with the cloths used by Gieves and the Forty Other Thieves. Indeed I've heard that these were not above using Monty as a sub-contractor (having supplied their own labels to be sewn in). But then you hear all sorts of things.
Danny.
...ISTR Burtons as an authorised No 1 SD tailor...
A No.1 SD for £13/15.
A Crombie Greatcoat for £15/15.
A barathea battledress (No.?) for £12/15. (Multiply by 26 for inflation)
whether authorised or not. The trick was to be of a stock size (I was lucky). The barathea and Crombie were of equal quality with the cloths used by Gieves and the Forty Other Thieves. Indeed I've heard that these were not above using Monty as a sub-contractor (having supplied their own labels to be sewn in). But then you hear all sorts of things.
Danny.
