Ex military jets
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Ex military jets
What ex military jets might yet gain a permit to fly in the UK? Presumably anything in the complex category would be very difficult.
The Jaguar is presumably classified as complex, though probably easier in some respects than the Sea Vixen or a (theoretically possible) Buccaneer.
What about the Hawk or Alpha jet? Would they really be harder to fly and maintain than the Hunter or Gnat?
The Jaguar is presumably classified as complex, though probably easier in some respects than the Sea Vixen or a (theoretically possible) Buccaneer.
What about the Hawk or Alpha jet? Would they really be harder to fly and maintain than the Hunter or Gnat?
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I too was curious about the Hawk T1 in an earlier thread, I posted (my post in italics):
Hawk T1
A question if I may,
The theoretical answer would be based on CAP632 - see Ch4 and the Harrier for all sorts of reasons would be a "Complex" type. All* current UK ex-Mil Jets are 'Intermediate' (JPs, Hunters etc.). 'Complex' types have a high hurdle of engineering support, in principle equivalent to "manufacturers' support", in order to get a Permit to Fly.
Would the Hawk T1 be classed as intermediate? I have often wondered if some may eventually be disposed of in a similar way to the Hunters in the eighties, mainly because I then might be able to fulfill a long held desire to fly in one (mortgage notwithstanding).
I got the reply from Anonystude:
exmanman -- I wondered that one myself; I fear it'd be Complex as it's not got manual reversion for the flying controls, only hydraulics...
Original thread here:
http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...ian-hands.html
Re the Bucc, interestingly HHA at Scampton have this on their website:
After over 2750 hours of design verification and critical system analysis work by HHA staff, the aircraft was classified in the BCAR A8-20 ‘Complex’ category for civilian use.
From Hawker Hunter Aviation | » Blackburn Buccaneer S2B
It should be said that HHA are not a display team or in the business of pleasure flights it would seem. Whether it will ever fly is beyond me. They also have an SU22 Fitter!
I too was curious about the Hawk T1 in an earlier thread, I posted (my post in italics):
Hawk T1
A question if I may,
The theoretical answer would be based on CAP632 - see Ch4 and the Harrier for all sorts of reasons would be a "Complex" type. All* current UK ex-Mil Jets are 'Intermediate' (JPs, Hunters etc.). 'Complex' types have a high hurdle of engineering support, in principle equivalent to "manufacturers' support", in order to get a Permit to Fly.
Would the Hawk T1 be classed as intermediate? I have often wondered if some may eventually be disposed of in a similar way to the Hunters in the eighties, mainly because I then might be able to fulfill a long held desire to fly in one (mortgage notwithstanding).
I got the reply from Anonystude:
exmanman -- I wondered that one myself; I fear it'd be Complex as it's not got manual reversion for the flying controls, only hydraulics...
Original thread here:
http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...ian-hands.html
Re the Bucc, interestingly HHA at Scampton have this on their website:
After over 2750 hours of design verification and critical system analysis work by HHA staff, the aircraft was classified in the BCAR A8-20 ‘Complex’ category for civilian use.
From Hawker Hunter Aviation | » Blackburn Buccaneer S2B
It should be said that HHA are not a display team or in the business of pleasure flights it would seem. Whether it will ever fly is beyond me. They also have an SU22 Fitter!
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Always struck me that a Hawker Seahawk would have been a splendid 'Gentlemans Carriage' with great visibility, quiet and with docile handling having unswept wings.
As there are no examples in civil ownership I must have missed something?
I do remember seeing one parked at Mumbai in the early eighties.
As there are no examples in civil ownership I must have missed something?
I do remember seeing one parked at Mumbai in the early eighties.
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Royal Navy Historic Flight have a Seahawk though I haven't seen it flying for a while, don't know if it is still airworthy.
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Always struck me that a Hawker Seahawk would have been a splendid 'Gentlemans Carriage' with great visibility, quiet and with docile handling having unswept wings.
As there are no examples in civil ownership I must have missed something?
I do remember seeing one parked at Mumbai in the early eighties.
As there are no examples in civil ownership I must have missed something?
I do remember seeing one parked at Mumbai in the early eighties.
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I'd better start saving up then!
TC was on my bucket list too, until the report came out!
I was going to point you to the report, which is very sobering reading, but it has disapeared from the SACAA website. Does anyone know where to look for it?
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