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Old 18th Jan 2020, 21:07
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Starting Image

Thanks very much, Kit Sanbumps KG!
What about this one then...


I'll stay on radio silence (no confirmations or clues) until at least 2205Z on Sun 19 Jan.
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 08:53
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I though publishing a swastika was a clear indication of (another) false trail................
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 11:44
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Indeed, the first one worked beautifully! The giveaway being the alignment fore-aft of the insignia - the Nazi one is orientated on the 45 degree line.

As for this one, there are some interesting clues there, not least the key fob (he said, playing the game he has criticised so often himself).
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 11:49
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An excellent choice, in my opinion.
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 13:15
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Grumman G-44 Widgeon
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 14:18
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Not a key fob but a small plastic box to hold ear plugs
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 15:16
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Ah, I’ve seen floating key fobs that look just like it, which would have been a pointer to its nautical application.
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 21:12
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Well done… and no further clues needed! A Grumman Widgeon it is… this being a 1946 example of the G44A variant.

You have control, Self loading bear...
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 21:17
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Thanks,
An opening in the dashboard was the clue to a seaplane.
The rest was easy.

Now this:


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Old 20th Jan 2020, 11:01
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Maybe a Falcon 20 modified variable-stability a/c used by Epner.....?
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Old 20th Jan 2020, 11:27
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Or maybe the control station for an air-launched vehicle.
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Old 20th Jan 2020, 13:25
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There are some strange instruments there but can anyone see any engine displays ?

The presence of a HUD is also interesting.
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Old 20th Jan 2020, 13:39
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MIT have a Falcon 20 but keep it very quiet...
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Old 20th Jan 2020, 21:44
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All good observations. But not the correct owner /application.

Perhaps you recognize a deceased friend?


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Old 21st Jan 2020, 06:11
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Most perplexing. Something from the Rafale programme?

The left-hand device is odd, and suggests that this is a WSO-type of installation rather than a pilot station, but then why put it in the flight deck (plenty of room in the fuselage)? Obviously, seeing the outside world through the HUD is a key benefit, so is this a HUD development device?

Other than looking a bit like Saddam Hussain at first glance, I can’t place the ‘deceased friend’...

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Old 21st Jan 2020, 06:30
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Ah-ha!

From elsewhere:

  • S/n 115, 186 and 190 were Falcon STs, or weapons system trainers used in France and elsewhere. Their copilot positions were reconfigured to match fighter cockpits. A control stick was fitted in place of the copilot's yoke, along with the correct fighter instrument panel and weapons systems, including the Cyrano radar. The first became operational in 1969.
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 06:52
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Is that Saddam in post #1426 Bear?
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 07:20
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If so, are we thinking about the Stark incident?

Is my diagnosis of French ST good enough or must we dig deeper, Mr Bear?
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 07:36
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I'll take another shot with Susanna, though the overhead panel is much more Falcon 20 than 50...
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 10:50
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I think you will find the answer here;-
Falcon 50 with the registration YI-ALE was sent to France. During its rebuild at Villaroche, it retained usual controls on the left side of the cockpit but received a complete cockpit of the F.1EQ-5 on the right side.
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