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Old 26th Aug 2011, 23:06
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As the challenge photo aircraft is devoid of markings, perhaps it is the prototype AT-8 that first flew in March of 1939. Production models didn't come on stream until one year later. The landing gear, nacelle lines, cowling, engine shroud, wing dihedral, antenna insulators, tail, tail wheel position, lower fueslage line, and elevator position and stabiliser proportion all agree with other Cessna AT-8s. The nose shape and canopy fenestration does appear somewhat different.. As a juror, I would vote for it being a Cessna.
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Old 26th Aug 2011, 23:13
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Just returned from a long day too and have come to the same conclusion as skytrain regarding the possibility of the Cessna P-10, mainly due to the description of the nose and canopy. I could only find a single picture from an entirely different angle, but notice the ADF antenna behind the cockpit and the protruberance on the tip of the fin visible in both Martin's and this image!




To compete with Curtiss’ higher-performance AT-9 twin-engine trainer, Cessna designed and built the prototype P-10. This one-and-only P-10 (registration number NX34751) was an experimental two-place trainer completed on October 4, 1941, and first flown two days later. When Cessna was unable to interest the AAF in these new designs, they dismantled both the P-10 and P-7 prototypes on October 14, 1942.

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Old 26th Aug 2011, 23:31
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You identified it! Well done! The hitherto unheard-of Cessna P-10.
We can all rest well now, gentlemen.

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Old 26th Aug 2011, 23:48
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Thanks Brian! Well, I think that it does look like the challenge aircraft, but credit must go to skytrain if it is!

Like you, I was convinced that it was a Cessna, but was troubled by the different canopy, when I found the decription "Side-by-side seating; full-vision, sliding canopy" in Aerofiles (without a picture) I went looking for one, but when I returned to post having found the image above, Ken had got there first.

Oh well, I'm off to bed now, goodnight
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 07:31
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Good morning Skytrain. I hear you are on…

Ach! Waiting for RR's call…..

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Old 27th Aug 2011, 07:34
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Morning Reg, yes I'm here, but have to go unfortunately. I have not managed to find a photo on the net of the P-10, but RR's challenge seems to fit the description, as well as the photo that Trevor has found.

Martin, if it is the P-10 then it will be Open House.
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 07:38
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Morning all,
Great challenge!
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 07:57
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TC, was your quote from Cessna Flyer Assn site?

The P-10 was powered by a pair of 300-hp Jacobs L6MB engines driving two-bladed, constant speed, metal Hamilton Standard propellers. The wing and tail surfaces were plywood. To minimize the use of strategic war materials, only the welded-steel frame used the precious metal. Compared to the T-50 or P-7, the P-10 appeared sleek with its streamlined fuselage, shorter wings, cockpit encased in a bubble-style canopy, and beefy landing gear (reused from a North American AT-6). The result was a trainer with the stance and panache of a fighter, vaguely reminiscent of the Lockheed P-38.
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 08:00
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Yes - the Cessna P-10. One built. No photos on web as far as I know!

I think Ken has it but OH declared
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 08:04
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Try this one.

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Old 27th Aug 2011, 08:19
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RegDep, some of those photos are found here.

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Old 27th Aug 2011, 08:23
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RR, great challenge although no photos available in web! Apparently solvable nevertheless, as we saw. Anybody know how to get to see the contents of the Kansas Aviation Museum Robert J. Pickett Collection images? Other than going to Wichita?

Edit: Thanks skwinty. That site I know, have even posted a challenge from there .

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Old 27th Aug 2011, 08:35
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Morning.

skwinty, is yours a really sleek-looking French aircraft....?

If it's the one I'm thinking of we've had it here before and on What Cockpit?
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 08:39
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Morning all,

Evening Graeme; I think you're right, it looks like the Hirsh H-100 and I think I may have got it the first time round, I certainly posted a pic of it in the Musee de L'air.

Not to worry skwinty, we've all done it

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Old 27th Aug 2011, 08:40
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I am not to sure of country of origin, but may have a French connection.
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My bad, I missed it in the list.


Hirsch-MAéRC H-100 (F-WGVC c/n 01)

So I guess that resets the open house.
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Question from RegDep

TC, was your quote from Cessna Flyer Assn site?
Yes mate, the paragraph above the one you posted

The picture I found was on the web, here (found with a different search string that found the above site)!

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Old 27th Aug 2011, 08:59
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Hirsch-MAéRC H-100
Thanks Trevor. I went to What Cockpit and worked up from "Z" looking for 2011 entries...

Got another image/challenge instead skwinty?
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 09:03
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OK, try this one.

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Old 27th Aug 2011, 09:06
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Originally Posted by skwinty
My bad, I missed it in the list.
Like I said mate, don't worry too much!

Dunno how you search the list, but I've been caught out many times with slight differences in spelling or foriegn accents like yours has!

I use the standard Windows F3 search, first on the whole name, then I whittle down the string to smaller sections like Hirsch, H-100, H.100 H 100.

If you're lucky you won't find your prospective challenge and you post it, only to find it has been up, but too recently to be on Mel's great list
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