Victor Airborne (Merged)
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Ok, I am going to guess that this will be deleted as there seems to be a wall of silence prevailing, but what on earth happened yesterday (3rd May) at Brunty and why the desperate attempts by some to subdue any news?
I've seen a set of stills showing the Victor airborne and looking close to a potential disaster and all the clips on YouTube, forum postings etc all being deleted "to avoid implication" whatever that means, by order of "the owners".
Bizarre, any eye witness accounts?
I've seen a set of stills showing the Victor airborne and looking close to a potential disaster and all the clips on YouTube, forum postings etc all being deleted "to avoid implication" whatever that means, by order of "the owners".
Bizarre, any eye witness accounts?
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Ive seen the photos as well, and probably have hundreds of others. yes the touchdown does look a tad wobbly. problem is as I see it, the CAA will now probably (over-)react and ban all such fast runs to prevent it from ocurring again.
Too late if they want to keep it quiet, the genies well and truly out of the bottle. My only regret was i was snapping one of Mr Branstons A340s yesterday, and missed what may turn out to be the last ever fast taxi run in the UK.
Too late if they want to keep it quiet, the genies well and truly out of the bottle. My only regret was i was snapping one of Mr Branstons A340s yesterday, and missed what may turn out to be the last ever fast taxi run in the UK.
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I wasn't there, but have seen a picture of the Victor, probably about 20-30ft up at the time.
Could have been disasterous, but thankfully not.
I really don't know whats going on with this blackout of pics and video, but its rather disturbing.
Could have been disasterous, but thankfully not.
I really don't know whats going on with this blackout of pics and video, but its rather disturbing.
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I would imagine there is less chance of it being the "last fast taxi" if they just come clean and be frank and open. The stills I saw show it port wing down over the grass and looking very close to a strike, might just be the angle but looks scary close to impact. I was thinking how close they must have got to having to either open the taps and attempt a circuit or take out a few hundred yards of trees with attendent terrible consequences.
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the Victor, probably about 20-30ft up
the last ever fast taxi run in the UK.
Or we have an airworthy Victor suddenly appeared from somewhere?
The alternative is hard to comprehend. Tell me this wasn't done by the same people who "run" the Vulcan???
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I'm no expert in operating Victors but I have been involved in flight test for many years and that included planning fast taxi runs. If the aircraft is not airworthy or not intended to fly then we took measures to ensure it didn't get airborne accidentally. This included not extending the flaps, making sure the thrust was reduced before lifting the nose etc. etc.
Planned short hops were actually more dangerous than getting airborne anyway because of the reduced stopping distance and inherent difficulty of stopping well after V1.
Planned short hops were actually more dangerous than getting airborne anyway because of the reduced stopping distance and inherent difficulty of stopping well after V1.
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I had to read this astonishing post about three time before it made any sense. VICTOR???? Fast taxi????? 30ft Airborne???? What kind of fast taxi is that? Beyond V1 for certes...
Tell me this wasn't done by the same people who "run" the Vulcan???
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No deletes Andrew. The starter may have done so and I did see a 'note' to the effect that this incident should not have been 'reported.' Curioser and curioser as the great CD once said. 
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Cheers Pop, I have seen the pics and this morning you'd think anyone spotted mentioning it would disappear ona rendition flight. YouTube posts, PPrune posts, and other message boards changing by the minute I assume the pilot was on the grassy knoll too......
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Well, I was there and I saw what happened and, as an airline pilot, I would have said the interests of the organisers would be best served by coming clean with the CAA. It was a great day and it would a terrible shame if these events were to stop happening. That said, the organisers are extremely lucky they did not end up something far far worse on their hands.
This is a very large aircraft we are talking about, not a Cessna 150. They pointed out earlier in the day that the runway at Bruntingthorpe is approx 2 miles long which although long, is not THAT long. This wasn't simply a case of stopping after V1. The thing was airborne before it landed and then braked. How the hell they managed to stop the thing is beyond me and I would have said that whoever was at the controls will have some tricky questions to answer.
I hope lessons are learnt from this and that these days keep on happening because as a spectacle, and as an aviation enthusiast, they need to. That sort of thing, however, should never happen again.
This is a very large aircraft we are talking about, not a Cessna 150. They pointed out earlier in the day that the runway at Bruntingthorpe is approx 2 miles long which although long, is not THAT long. This wasn't simply a case of stopping after V1. The thing was airborne before it landed and then braked. How the hell they managed to stop the thing is beyond me and I would have said that whoever was at the controls will have some tricky questions to answer.
I hope lessons are learnt from this and that these days keep on happening because as a spectacle, and as an aviation enthusiast, they need to. That sort of thing, however, should never happen again.
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Andrew,
I posted a thread on Mil forum yesterday within about 30 mins of it happening!
I had a call from a mate who told me what had happened!
I made a call to an operator there yesterday to confirm and he did!
I posted two questions:
They asked about the implications of this incident concerning the future
of the fast taxi runs that so many enthusiasts and professionals spend countless
hours to keep the aircraft going and thus uphold our aviation heritage!!
The issue as far as I was concerned was about my questions!
NOT whether or not the Victor had actually got airborne? It had!
I asked them to aviation professionals on this forum! I was and still
am interested in their opinion?
The first two posts were speculating that I could have confused it with a JP!
Its nose wheel had apparently lifted during its run!!
I waited for any sensible reply, there was none!
I considered other threads I had read on here recently and
decided that I didn't want to be associated (as thread starter)
with what could turn into a pathetic slanging match!
The poor Victor 'Captain' has enough to think about, I didn't
want to add to that!
I pulled it! No conspiracy!
AB
I posted a thread on Mil forum yesterday within about 30 mins of it happening!
I had a call from a mate who told me what had happened!
I made a call to an operator there yesterday to confirm and he did!
I posted two questions:
They asked about the implications of this incident concerning the future
of the fast taxi runs that so many enthusiasts and professionals spend countless
hours to keep the aircraft going and thus uphold our aviation heritage!!
The issue as far as I was concerned was about my questions!
NOT whether or not the Victor had actually got airborne? It had!
I asked them to aviation professionals on this forum! I was and still
am interested in their opinion?
The first two posts were speculating that I could have confused it with a JP!
Its nose wheel had apparently lifted during its run!!
I waited for any sensible reply, there was none!
I considered other threads I had read on here recently and
decided that I didn't want to be associated (as thread starter)
with what could turn into a pathetic slanging match!
The poor Victor 'Captain' has enough to think about, I didn't
want to add to that!
I pulled it! No conspiracy!
AB
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Cheers Snapshot, appreciated. One or two have been running a day long crusade on YouTube to supress footage and comments and its pretty pathetic, be better if they just owned up to the CAA and deal with it than trying to run their own suppression policy.
Thanks for updating the story, the main thing is everyone is unhurt seems it could have been very different.
Thanks for updating the story, the main thing is everyone is unhurt seems it could have been very different.
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Rather that the organisers be given an interval to discover what happened and why before contacting the relevant authorities, free from possibly ill-informed speculation.
It isn't the CAA who will stop high speed ground run demonstrations (for that is what they are - let's drop the euphemism "taxi") it's the the insurers. If they perceive additional risk then the premiums will rise or they may even decline cover altogether.
What makes this incident so potentially dangerous is that you can do all the takeoff calculations in the world and calculate the maximum speed to which you can accelerate and stop in the available runway distance, but once you get airborne all bets are off. The options then available are to try and land in an incorrect configuration in the remaining runway available with no clear indication that it is sufficient, or to carry on and fly a circuit and land. Neither option is appealing and if anything the former carries the more significant risk.
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What makes this incident so potentially dangerous is that you can do all the takeoff calculations in the world and calculate the maximum speed to which you can accelerate and stop in the available runway distance, but once you get airborne all bets are off. The options then available are to try and land in an incorrect configuration in the remaining runway available with no clear indication that it is sufficient, or to carry on and fly a circuit and land. Neither option is appealing and if anything the former carries the more significant risk.
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What on earth is there to be gained by this heavy-handed suppression of photographic proof that the 'flight' occurred?
Publish and be damned, I say!!
Publish and be damned, I say!!
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well there are a series of three pics online right now which say it all.....
They aren't mine but publicly available so unless that's a problem I am happy to post the link.
They aren't mine but publicly available so unless that's a problem I am happy to post the link.
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I agree with BEags there is little point in hiding it now. We would not have done so anyway when I first saw it. People are free to post so long as it stays in the boundaries of PPRuNe rules.
However, the poster has a free choice to keep it or remove it and he chose the latter - as you can see it made little or no difference.
However, the poster has a free choice to keep it or remove it and he chose the latter - as you can see it made little or no difference.