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The Story
I do not know when the CAA will respond to the report, or indeed if they will at all. Do not worry, I have it all written up and am very keen to get it out to stop all the conjecture. However, I think this thread will have a few more pages yet!!
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Yet another pic...
Anyone seen
http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Handley-Page-Victor/1525010/M/ yet ? Added to Airliners.net only yesterday.
The best photo I have seen so far !
http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Handley-Page-Victor/1525010/M/ yet ? Added to Airliners.net only yesterday.
The best photo I have seen so far !
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Looks more like a flying display than a moment of being s... scared!!! It all looked very different from the inside!!! 
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Anyone seen
Photos: Handley Page Victor K2 (HP80) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net yet ? Added to Airliners.net only yesterday.
The best photo I have seen so far !
Photos: Handley Page Victor K2 (HP80) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net yet ? Added to Airliners.net only yesterday.
The best photo I have seen so far !
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Always preferred the Victor to the Vulcan, looks great in the air!
Now if only a Concorde would be brought back to taxying conditions so another accident could happen
Now if only a Concorde would be brought back to taxying conditions so another accident could happen
Always preferred the Victor to the Vulcan, looks great in the air!
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Mr Farley, Sir; indeed.
Sam1191. An interesting reminder that HP retained those neat rows of vortex generators on their MK2 long after AVR had made them redundant on their MK 2.
Sam1191. An interesting reminder that HP retained those neat rows of vortex generators on their MK2 long after AVR had made them redundant on their MK 2.
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Keeping things straight
I have made a considerable input on another site where that picture was published, and then somewhat arm chair analysed. In the interests of keeping things straight, this is what I said:
"For all you hawk eyed people, here is how the pictures show the truth.
Firstly, the bod lying down was on the other side of the runway taking pics - not sure if he threw himself down or was going for a low picture angle! But I believe he was an officially authorised photographer.
There is no question of the crew getting into the aircraft planning to get airborne, exactly the opposite. The pictures showing the power being on when it was in the initial climb are spot on. Full take-off power was not being used, only cruise power, and thank heavens the throttles were not closed on the ground or any sooner than they were. As it was, the aircraft was still accelerating furiously, and that gave the Victor flying speed as it was becoming airborne, not rearing up on the thrust vector alone.
Visibility from the cockpit is very restricted apart from straight ahead. As I pushed the nose down, I went from seeing only blue sky, to a panoramic view of the runway and a lot of grass. The wind had lifted the stbd wing, and taken the aircraft well to the left of the runway. At that point I thought we had had it - just to tent peg into the ground, and for a fraction of a second I considered going for full power, a climb and circuit. But then I felt the aircraft was "flying", it responded to my inputs, and the runway was reachable and long enough. My priority then was to keep the speed up - no airbrakes, maintain control, and complete a landing albeit initially on the grass.
I have snapshot visions of things, and most of my reaction was totally instinctive, but I would love to see a video to give my memory a "real time" dimension.
Didnt she look great in the air - 15 years since she last flew, and would you believe it - 28 years since I did my last operational trip in her!! How I wish we could do it all properly for real!! "Fred's Sheds" may have built hand crafted aircraft, and BAe may have "spoilt" them in the K2 conversions, but the Victor was the longest serving V Bomber, and is still the Rolls Royce in my mind. From cockpit comfort, to sophisticated aerodynamics that gave it a performance well ahead of the Tin whatsit thing....were the mega-millions well spent? Could we raise the money to keep her flying on the experience gained from the Triangle?
Bob
"For all you hawk eyed people, here is how the pictures show the truth.
Firstly, the bod lying down was on the other side of the runway taking pics - not sure if he threw himself down or was going for a low picture angle! But I believe he was an officially authorised photographer.
There is no question of the crew getting into the aircraft planning to get airborne, exactly the opposite. The pictures showing the power being on when it was in the initial climb are spot on. Full take-off power was not being used, only cruise power, and thank heavens the throttles were not closed on the ground or any sooner than they were. As it was, the aircraft was still accelerating furiously, and that gave the Victor flying speed as it was becoming airborne, not rearing up on the thrust vector alone.
Visibility from the cockpit is very restricted apart from straight ahead. As I pushed the nose down, I went from seeing only blue sky, to a panoramic view of the runway and a lot of grass. The wind had lifted the stbd wing, and taken the aircraft well to the left of the runway. At that point I thought we had had it - just to tent peg into the ground, and for a fraction of a second I considered going for full power, a climb and circuit. But then I felt the aircraft was "flying", it responded to my inputs, and the runway was reachable and long enough. My priority then was to keep the speed up - no airbrakes, maintain control, and complete a landing albeit initially on the grass.
I have snapshot visions of things, and most of my reaction was totally instinctive, but I would love to see a video to give my memory a "real time" dimension.
Didnt she look great in the air - 15 years since she last flew, and would you believe it - 28 years since I did my last operational trip in her!! How I wish we could do it all properly for real!! "Fred's Sheds" may have built hand crafted aircraft, and BAe may have "spoilt" them in the K2 conversions, but the Victor was the longest serving V Bomber, and is still the Rolls Royce in my mind. From cockpit comfort, to sophisticated aerodynamics that gave it a performance well ahead of the Tin whatsit thing....were the mega-millions well spent? Could we raise the money to keep her flying on the experience gained from the Triangle?
Bob
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Interesting reading Bob.
Just to clarify, for those that have video of the event (not me) are you happy for it to be published on the web? Or are you asking for a private viewing?
I only ask as someone who had to leave Bruntingthorpe minutes before the 'flight' and I too would love to see it in real time.
However she became airborne, it is clear that your instincts and handling skills served you well in the few seconds you had to take control, and protect the lives of the crew (and the airframe) well done.
Just to clarify, for those that have video of the event (not me) are you happy for it to be published on the web? Or are you asking for a private viewing?
I only ask as someone who had to leave Bruntingthorpe minutes before the 'flight' and I too would love to see it in real time.
However she became airborne, it is clear that your instincts and handling skills served you well in the few seconds you had to take control, and protect the lives of the crew (and the airframe) well done.
I was quite sympathetic until I read that rather weird post...
Why? They certainly should have been.
What have you learned from this incident - and how would you do things differently, should you ever be asked to do so again?
....thank heavens the throttles were not closed on the ground....
What have you learned from this incident - and how would you do things differently, should you ever be asked to do so again?
