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Old 1st Jul 2008, 15:16
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It looks a bit magisterial to me, but the rear windscreen is wrong.

How about the predecessor - Miles Hawk Major?
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Old 1st Jul 2008, 16:14
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Sorry India Four Two not a Miles... 1/2 a mark for the working though.
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Old 1st Jul 2008, 16:52
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Fairchild PT-19 ?
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Sorry S'land not a Fairchild...
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Old 1st Jul 2008, 18:59
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Consolidated A-11 ?? Keith.
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Old 1st Jul 2008, 19:47
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Nope.. sorry (not from the USA)

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Old 1st Jul 2008, 20:45
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The instruments certainly imply a British aircraft, so this the last open cockpit monoplane trainer i can think of - the General Aircraft Owlet.
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Old 1st Jul 2008, 21:03
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Well done India Four Two...


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Old 2nd Jul 2008, 02:11
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Thanks, windriver. Where did you find that picture? Owlet pictures are few and far between and all the ones I've found are too small to make out much detail.

Obviously the ad was not very successful, since no more were built after the the prototype.

Standby while I organize the next cockpit.
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Right, here it is. I'll confess in advance that we've had this type before, but I think this variant is sufficiently different to be a worthwhile challenge.

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Old 2nd Jul 2008, 09:41
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Re The Owlet - Reading between the lines General Aircraft gambled on the next generation of RAF Heavies having nosewheels and operating off hard runways, and there being a requirement for nose wheel trainers - One could see the Owlet potentially replacing the Tiger Moth and Magister. Didn`t work out that way. Many more Owlet ads at Classic Aviation Ads Series: General Aircraft Company 1947

Re the challenge..... It looks like it's piston engined, and quite sporty if the ASI is anything to go by... Tucanoesque

NDN 1 Firecracker?
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Old 2nd Jul 2008, 10:38
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Has to be a P-51H,or Cavalier2000...
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Old 2nd Jul 2008, 10:47
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The solitary Owlet joined its ten sister Cygnets in training Boston pilots, according to Wikipedia. Crashed near Arundel in 1942.

Back to the challenge - you are right, it is VERY sporty, but not the Firecracker. Desmond Norman would have been very pleased that you thought this aircraft was his. Now that you have made that suggestion, I have noticed that the panel does look very modern.

However, wrong side of the pond and many years too late.

Edited to say I was composing my reply at the same time as Sycamore. Not the P-51H or the Cavalier. Think earlier than even the P-51H.
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UUUMMMMM North American A-36 Apache ???? Keith
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Old 3rd Jul 2008, 02:10
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Keith,

You are much warmer, but not the A-36.
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Old 3rd Jul 2008, 08:53
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Bell P63 Kingcobra?
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Old 3rd Jul 2008, 09:16
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Colder. Think West Coast in slightly later time frame.

Correction. windriver, I misread your post as "Airacobra".

This aircraft first flew after the Airacobra but before the Kingcobra.
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Old 3rd Jul 2008, 13:53
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XP-51 Mustang.
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Old 3rd Jul 2008, 14:51
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And the winner is ....... 8028410q. Well done



XP-51 No. 4 is in the EAA museum. Details here including a very nice interactive cockpit display:

North American XP-51 Mustang

Perhaps someone can shed light on the conficting details on the web. The EAA say that their example was the fourth P-51 built. Elsewhere I've seen the claim that the prototype was the NA-73X and that XP-51 was the designation for aircraft from the first production batch of Mustang 1s that were diverted to the USAAC for evaluation.

The MAP order was placed on 26 June 1940. The prototype first flew on 20 October. Less than four months! A remarkable beginning for a remarkable aircraft.

I've been unable to find a reference I saw some time ago as to how the EAA obtained the XP-51. The gist is that the EAA gave the NASM an aircraft that the museum wanted and in return was told to in effect, "take one of those containers in the storage area". The EAA rep saw the magic word "XP-51" and had it signed out and on a truck before the museum realized what they had given away!

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Old 3rd Jul 2008, 16:27
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Next Cockpit challenge

I'm afraid that I will be away on holiday for the next 7 days, so will not be able to 'mark' any responses, so I shall do the next best thing and hand control back to India Four Two with the proviso 'you owe me one'!

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Old 3rd Jul 2008, 17:46
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I had a PM from 8028410q expanding on his post. He's sunning himself in Majorca. Pretty poor excuse if you ask me.

I don't have any new cockpits at the moment, so OPEN HOUSE.
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