What Happened to G-AZLT at Leeds?
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What Happened to G-AZLT at Leeds?
This was the Viscount that became G-BMAT and G-OHOT with BWA. Sadly destroyed in 1994 near Uttoxeter due to icing.
I understand that it experienced a heavy landing or ran onto the grass at Leeds on a wild night in 1981/2. It was hangared for some time there, dismantled, and taken to EMA where it was rebuilt. A high-hours Viscount captain claimed that it handled better than any other he'd flown, so I heard.
I've always been intrigued to know what caused such damage.
I jump-seated with an Aussie crew Leeds-London who said that the incident was seriously "hushed up". I'm surprised that the press never got hold of it.
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I understand that it experienced a heavy landing or ran onto the grass at Leeds on a wild night in 1981/2. It was hangared for some time there, dismantled, and taken to EMA where it was rebuilt. A high-hours Viscount captain claimed that it handled better than any other he'd flown, so I heard.
I've always been intrigued to know what caused such damage.
I jump-seated with an Aussie crew Leeds-London who said that the incident was seriously "hushed up". I'm surprised that the press never got hold of it.
Cheers
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I'd beg to differ there, as it was operating the last northbound (BD420). I was a student in Leeds at the time, and heard about it via my father, a BD empolyee, the next day. It was a truly wild night in downtown Leeds, so Yeadon would have been even more "interesting".
Thanks for the reply.
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Thanks for the reply.
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It landed on a very wet runway with a strong cross wind and touched down very deep. It could have been much worse! Negligible injuries, just bent metal and hurt pride. BMA did the same thing twice at LBA.....once on Rwy15 and the other on Rwy 33....both narrow escapes!
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H49 thanks very much. I knew that there were two, one being less "hushed" than the other. I understand that the main spar on Viscounts can be a weak spot. I suppose that the "hump" on 33/15 at Leeds did not help matters.
It must have been an interesting ride for the punters...
Thanks again.
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H49 thanks very much. I knew that there were two, one being less "hushed" than the other. I understand that the main spar on Viscounts can be a weak spot. I suppose that the "hump" on 33/15 at Leeds did not help matters.
It must have been an interesting ride for the punters...
Thanks again.
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http://aviation-safety.net/database/...0225-1&lang=en
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Hope it helps.
Oddly enough I cant find it on the AAIB site even though I have a copy of the report on my shelf as published by HMSO
Be lucky
David
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Hope it helps.
Oddly enough I cant find it on the AAIB site even though I have a copy of the report on my shelf as published by HMSO
Be lucky
David
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David,
Thanks for this.
it was more the Leeds incident I was curious about - It must have been some "arrival" to break an aeroplane to that degree.
The extended centreline of 32 passed over the University campus, and it was always interesting to hear the 4 Darts, the noise often altering in pitch, and see a Viscount crabbing down the ILS just below the overcast.
Does anyone else think that the A320 has a bit of a Viscount noise about it?
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Thanks for this.
it was more the Leeds incident I was curious about - It must have been some "arrival" to break an aeroplane to that degree.
The extended centreline of 32 passed over the University campus, and it was always interesting to hear the 4 Darts, the noise often altering in pitch, and see a Viscount crabbing down the ILS just below the overcast.
Does anyone else think that the A320 has a bit of a Viscount noise about it?
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Midland 331, The cause of the crash of G OHOT at Utoxeter back in 1994 was 'Fuel Contamination'
The Aircraft was on a Freight Flight from EDI - CVT, when all of a sudden over the Midlands one of the 4 Engines stopped!
I cant remember what happened to the other 3 Engines, I Tink they lost 1 more before crashing into a wood outside Utoxeter.
Sadly one of the 2 Pilot's was killed instantly on impact, I the other was in a 'bad' state, and I hope he/she has recovered.
The Aircraft was on a parcelforce contract night flight.
The AAIB found traces of 'Water' in the fuel, and this caused the engines to seize up!
It just showed that even Commercial's can get water contamination just as easy as a C152?
You don't hear about this happening as much nowadays, But you would have thought Vickers would have allowed for this happening on the Rolls Royce Dart Engine.
Regards.
The Aircraft was on a Freight Flight from EDI - CVT, when all of a sudden over the Midlands one of the 4 Engines stopped!
I cant remember what happened to the other 3 Engines, I Tink they lost 1 more before crashing into a wood outside Utoxeter.
Sadly one of the 2 Pilot's was killed instantly on impact, I the other was in a 'bad' state, and I hope he/she has recovered.
The Aircraft was on a parcelforce contract night flight.
The AAIB found traces of 'Water' in the fuel, and this caused the engines to seize up!
It just showed that even Commercial's can get water contamination just as easy as a C152?
You don't hear about this happening as much nowadays, But you would have thought Vickers would have allowed for this happening on the Rolls Royce Dart Engine.
Regards.
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Midland 331, The cause of the crash of G OHOT at Utoxeter back in 1994 was 'Fuel Contamination'
The Aircraft was on a Freight Flight from EDI - CVT, when all of a sudden over the Midlands one of the 4 Engines stopped!
I cant remember what happened to the other 3 Engines, I Tink they lost 1 more before crashing into a wood outside Utoxeter.
Sadly one of the 2 Pilot's was killed instantly on impact, I the other was in a 'bad' state, and I hope he/she has recovered.
The Aircraft was on a parcelforce contract night flight.
The AAIB found traces of 'Water' in the fuel, and this caused the engines to seize up!
It just showed that even Commercial's can get water contamination just as easy as a C152?
You don't hear about this happening as much nowadays, But you would have thought Vickers would have allowed for this happening on the Rolls Royce Dart Engine.
Regards.
The Aircraft was on a Freight Flight from EDI - CVT, when all of a sudden over the Midlands one of the 4 Engines stopped!
I cant remember what happened to the other 3 Engines, I Tink they lost 1 more before crashing into a wood outside Utoxeter.
Sadly one of the 2 Pilot's was killed instantly on impact, I the other was in a 'bad' state, and I hope he/she has recovered.
The Aircraft was on a parcelforce contract night flight.
The AAIB found traces of 'Water' in the fuel, and this caused the engines to seize up!
It just showed that even Commercial's can get water contamination just as easy as a C152?
You don't hear about this happening as much nowadays, But you would have thought Vickers would have allowed for this happening on the Rolls Royce Dart Engine.
Regards.
However, my question is about G-AZLT at Leeds when working for Midland. As per the first posting in the thread...
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Affirmative Midland 331, I just thought I'd add that about it's final resting place!
GAZLT was that used on the LHR run from LBA regularly? I am a long time 'Midland' fan, but the DC9 era is more my department.
Was it 1988 the last year of the Viscount flying, I know GAZLT was an 802 series.
Living not far from LBA, and knowing many other people who work/ed at LBA I have not found much information on the crash, As is the case with the Tristar Run-away back in 1985.
If you contact HMSO or the CAA you may be able to purchase the report.
Regards.
Regards.
GAZLT was that used on the LHR run from LBA regularly? I am a long time 'Midland' fan, but the DC9 era is more my department.
Was it 1988 the last year of the Viscount flying, I know GAZLT was an 802 series.
Living not far from LBA, and knowing many other people who work/ed at LBA I have not found much information on the crash, As is the case with the Tristar Run-away back in 1985.
If you contact HMSO or the CAA you may be able to purchase the report.
Regards.
Regards.
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Midland 331: If you mean the noise an A320 makes when it's descending on intermediate approach, then yes, I've been struck by the similarity. 
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G-AZLT was a series 813 not an 802 It was powered by Dart R Da 7's & was purchased by BMA from South African Airways in 1972.
The series 802 was built for BEA & were considerably less powerful.
I believe the accident referred to actually occured in 1980. The CAA registration database appears to confirm this as it shows the first registration date for G-BMAT as 30th March 1981
The series 802 was built for BEA & were considerably less powerful.
I believe the accident referred to actually occured in 1980. The CAA registration database appears to confirm this as it shows the first registration date for G-BMAT as 30th March 1981
I've now found a book which tells me that the aircraft met it's accident landing on runway 15 at LBA on 6th October 1980: that it was transported by road to EMA 13th February 1981 & was rebuilt using the wings of series 814 G-BAPD which had been withdrawn from use by BMA & was in storage. The book confirms the re regristration to G-BMAT on the date which I quoted in my previous post
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Viscounts were the main aircraft used on the Leeds Bradford - Heathrow route during the period after BMA took over from BA on the route in 1980. So of course all the fleet visited Leeds. [They had also been used on the East Midlands - Leeds - Glasgow routes after they replaced the HP7s, Argonaut, DC3 etc!]
DC9s replaced Viscounts on the Heathrow route after the Leeds runway was extended.
Returning to the subject of the over-runs at Leeds, 'LT landing on runway 15 narrowly averted disaster by turning on to the grass south of the main runway and thereby avoided going down the embankment. Similarly the Rwy33 over run avoided going through the fence and on to the main Bradford - Harrogate Road by turning on to the grass south of Rwy 33. As I said before both could have been much worse and both were caused by late touch downs on wet, cross wind affected runways.
The Tristar also ran off the end of the by this time Rwy 14, due to late touchdown. It landed on a dry runway with about a 5kt headwind, carrying a full load of passengers and tankering fuel from Palma. The touchdown was well after the 'aiming point' and in fact very close to where the 'aiming point' had been prior to the runway extension.....leaving some 1300m for stopping.
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Viscounts were the main aircraft used on the Leeds Bradford - Heathrow route during the period after BMA took over from BA on the route in 1980. So of course all the fleet visited Leeds. [They had also been used on the East Midlands - Leeds - Glasgow routes after they replaced the HP7s, Argonaut, DC3 etc!]
DC9s replaced Viscounts on the Heathrow route after the Leeds runway was extended.
Returning to the subject of the over-runs at Leeds, 'LT landing on runway 15 narrowly averted disaster by turning on to the grass south of the main runway and thereby avoided going down the embankment. Similarly the Rwy33 over run avoided going through the fence and on to the main Bradford - Harrogate Road by turning on to the grass south of Rwy 33. As I said before both could have been much worse and both were caused by late touch downs on wet, cross wind affected runways.
The Tristar also ran off the end of the by this time Rwy 14, due to late touchdown. It landed on a dry runway with about a 5kt headwind, carrying a full load of passengers and tankering fuel from Palma. The touchdown was well after the 'aiming point' and in fact very close to where the 'aiming point' had been prior to the runway extension.....leaving some 1300m for stopping.
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Bean,
>I've now found a book which tells me that the aircraft met it's accident landing on runway 15 at LBA
Thanks very much. I have a vague recollection of seeing the lights of this particular aircraft as it hurtled downwind for 15 on th efateful night. Or maybe I'm wrong. There were lots of windy, dark nights in Leeds.
That overrun area at the 32/33 threshold end is seriously steep, IIRC.
H49, can you confirm that one of the wet-leased Airways Cymru B1-11s once landed on 28? This was a story circulating in Midland at one time. The story goes that the "arrival" was so firm that all the oxygen masks deployed in the cabin.
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>I've now found a book which tells me that the aircraft met it's accident landing on runway 15 at LBA
Thanks very much. I have a vague recollection of seeing the lights of this particular aircraft as it hurtled downwind for 15 on th efateful night. Or maybe I'm wrong. There were lots of windy, dark nights in Leeds.
That overrun area at the 32/33 threshold end is seriously steep, IIRC.
H49, can you confirm that one of the wet-leased Airways Cymru B1-11s once landed on 28? This was a story circulating in Midland at one time. The story goes that the "arrival" was so firm that all the oxygen masks deployed in the cabin.
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Is it only me of does anyone else think that the Saab 2000 has a touch of Vanguard wings and tailplane about it. I saw one a while back on approach to JSY and it looked interesting from the ground,
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Do tell!
I was amazed at how long the Tristar sat at the stop end of 14 before removal
Was 32 still in use for arrivals (with restrictions) at that time? That tail sat a fair way into the air..
I wonder how much the "hump" in the runway influenced all these events?
On a similar subject, a Genair SD360 F/O said that their GPWS used to go off on very short finals to 32 due to the terrain charactersitics.
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I was amazed at how long the Tristar sat at the stop end of 14 before removal
Was 32 still in use for arrivals (with restrictions) at that time? That tail sat a fair way into the air..
I wonder how much the "hump" in the runway influenced all these events?
On a similar subject, a Genair SD360 F/O said that their GPWS used to go off on very short finals to 32 due to the terrain charactersitics.
r
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