What Happened to G-AZLT at Leeds?
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The high pitch whine of the Dart comes from the compressor. The idle speed is around 7,000rpm and full power is 15,000rpm (for -528 & -532. others may vary). The prop speed is approx 1/10th of the engine.
I did a jump seat trip in Brown Air's Gulfstream I on the LBA - Humberside - Oslo service they then did. The GI had twin Darts and you certainly needed ear protection if you spent any time near them on the ground.
I have no recollection of the Aer Turas DC4s being used for anything other than horse charters, usually to/from Dublin. They were fairly frequent visitors in the horse racing season that is until they changed the DC4 for a CL44 after which I don't recall seeing them again. Not enough runway!
In addition to the B170 scrapped at LBA, BKS used a B170 [GAMLJ] into LBA on occasions, again transporting horses.
I think the first Aer Lingus BAC 111 to visit was a Leeds United Charter in about 1965/66, fairly soon after Runway 15/33 was opened and in the days when LUFC really was a football team!! It parked on what was stand 4, somewhere around the present day stand 8!
H49
In addition to the B170 scrapped at LBA, BKS used a B170 [GAMLJ] into LBA on occasions, again transporting horses.
I think the first Aer Lingus BAC 111 to visit was a Leeds United Charter in about 1965/66, fairly soon after Runway 15/33 was opened and in the days when LUFC really was a football team!! It parked on what was stand 4, somewhere around the present day stand 8!
H49
I too have heard tales of various ex BA and BEA Viscounts meeting their at end at LBA but I'm not old enough to remember.
G-WLAD, an Airways Cymru 1-11 leased to BMA did indeed land on Runway 28 some time in 86 I believe. It was probably a windy day for a change. I remember seeing it fly past my then home in Adel and wondered what was going on. But, according to the book, a landing on that runway in those conditions was possible and permissible. I believe all the pax oxygen masks tried to evacuate themselves from the aircraft on touchdown ! Was Lord Haddock in the Tower that afternoon ? Think he might have been.
I regularly saw the BMA Viscounts make approaches and landings on RW28 but strangely enough never the BA fleet. Probably something to do with the more powerful engines on the 810, greater reverse thrust capacity etc.
The Good Old Days. Viscounts, 748s, noisy jets, Northeast, Britannia, and so on.
G-WLAD, an Airways Cymru 1-11 leased to BMA did indeed land on Runway 28 some time in 86 I believe. It was probably a windy day for a change. I remember seeing it fly past my then home in Adel and wondered what was going on. But, according to the book, a landing on that runway in those conditions was possible and permissible. I believe all the pax oxygen masks tried to evacuate themselves from the aircraft on touchdown ! Was Lord Haddock in the Tower that afternoon ? Think he might have been.
I regularly saw the BMA Viscounts make approaches and landings on RW28 but strangely enough never the BA fleet. Probably something to do with the more powerful engines on the 810, greater reverse thrust capacity etc.
The Good Old Days. Viscounts, 748s, noisy jets, Northeast, Britannia, and so on.
Last edited by Mooncrest; 23rd Aug 2013 at 09:51.
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Capt Tony Belcher, legendary BMA maverick, told me earlier this the year that he used 28 several times when Leeds had it's standard howling and gusting westerly.
As a student at the university circa 1979/80, I do recall a BA Trident 1 or 2 operating in lieu of a BA Viscount. Now I'm sure that someone will be along soon to say that this was impossible. However, the campus was under the 32 centreline, and my eyes didn't deceive me. And it appeared on the same frequencies as the Viscount, so wasn't a training detail.
As a student at the university circa 1979/80, I do recall a BA Trident 1 or 2 operating in lieu of a BA Viscount. Now I'm sure that someone will be along soon to say that this was impossible. However, the campus was under the 32 centreline, and my eyes didn't deceive me. And it appeared on the same frequencies as the Viscount, so wasn't a training detail.
Bean,
Forgot the Viscount was a prop, not a pure jet. Maybe something to do with propellor pitch.
Helen49, a Private Message awaits.
Forgot the Viscount was a prop, not a pure jet. Maybe something to do with propellor pitch.
Helen49, a Private Message awaits.
Last edited by Mooncrest; 23rd Aug 2013 at 14:32.
Trident at LBA pre-extension ?
79/80 was prior the the LBA runway extension, and just before the changeover from BA to BMA. I'm happy to stand corrected on this, but as a young local spotter at the time I'm pretty sure a BA Trident never graced LBA. Would that be feasible - carrying a commercial load out of a 5400' runway? I did see the odd Aviaco DC-9, Stirling Caravelle etc. in the late 70's but I didn't think the Trident was renowned for it's short field performance to say the least 
On the runway 28/10 front, I have it on good authority from one of the controllers that a Britannia 737-200 landed on R10 on one occasion. The controller commented "it used it ALL!"
On the runway 28/10 front, I have it on good authority from one of the controllers that a Britannia 737-200 landed on R10 on one occasion. The controller commented "it used it ALL!"
Last edited by DH106; 23rd Aug 2013 at 16:23.
I flew out of LBA for the last four years of the 60s and I only used 28 once - in a Viscount. I remember it well as the roughest approach I ever made in 45 years of commercial flying, the wind was in excess of 50kts. The Captain, (a WWII Halifax pilot). told me to "pump" the throttles as vigorously as necessary to maintain the correct speed whilst he used both hands to keep the machine aimed in roughly the required direction. I remember well seeing speeds on the ASI anywhere between 60 and 160kts. Runway length was not a factor - controlling the aircraft was. 19/01 was already a taxiway by then, downgraded after a Dak took off the top of some trees on Plane Tree Hill on the 19 approach.
In those days BKS had the GT version of the Trident, the 1E and they never tried to land it there, in fact the Britannia never appeared so far as I know.
In those days BKS had the GT version of the Trident, the 1E and they never tried to land it there, in fact the Britannia never appeared so far as I know.
do not think BKS ever took the trident 1e to LBA even to show it off new in 1969...
Channel took theirs to Southend to show them off but do not think they did IT's from there.
on topic
re G-AZLT accident i am most puzzled there is apparently no aaib or board of trade archive of the accident...
anyone find one? or a piccie...i am sure the local rag took a pic...it is somewhere lol
viscounts had ground fine pitch i believe...
Channel took theirs to Southend to show them off but do not think they did IT's from there.
on topic
re G-AZLT accident i am most puzzled there is apparently no aaib or board of trade archive of the accident...
anyone find one? or a piccie...i am sure the local rag took a pic...it is somewhere lol
viscounts had ground fine pitch i believe...
Last edited by rog747; 24th Aug 2013 at 09:35.
I landed at Leeds in a BMA 1-11 in 1970 (21st Aug to be precise) I have no idea which runway we landed on as I was only 13 at the time. BMA had combined 2 loads, the Viscount that was supposed to go Glasgow - Leeds - Luton and the 1-11 that was going Glasgow - EMA - Luton because the Viscount had gone tech.
When we landed, with a full 119 on board, we just about stopped at the end! Those that remained on board were all moved forward, we then sat on the end with engines at full power before rolling. Just as we rotated the end of the runway went passed.
My Father worked for BMA at the time and the rumour going round was once they arrived at EMA the crew refused to take it on to Luton.
When we landed, with a full 119 on board, we just about stopped at the end! Those that remained on board were all moved forward, we then sat on the end with engines at full power before rolling. Just as we rotated the end of the runway went passed.
My Father worked for BMA at the time and the rumour going round was once they arrived at EMA the crew refused to take it on to Luton.
Aer Lingus used to do LBA-DUB, if I remember rightly something like 3-4 times a week in the late 70's/early 80's. Flights during the week were with 737-200s. but the Sunday flight as usually a 1-11's - which cased many noise complaints if R15 was in use
Didn't a Wardair 747 also go off the end at Leeds (after the extension) ? Wardair did a weekly Leeds to Toronto flight for a few years.
I used the short-lived BMI London City to Leeds service (10 years ago ? someone will know* ), operated by an Atlantic ATR-42 under charter, and was surprised that we came in on 28. What was its length compared to LCY ? [* : Just checked - 2004.]
I once took most of the Southend length in a C152 !
Channel operated what Trident services they operated from the area out of Stansted, but the main usage of the aircraft was out of Berlin Tegel. One of their pair had a full IT contract from there, while the other stood for much of the time at Stansted being robbed for parts that Channel couldn't afford when they had so little work for the aircraft. Most of what they did do from the UK with it was ad-hoc subcharters.
Apparently this was BMA's inaugural One-Eleven flight; mostly their fleet was used on Mediterranean IT charters rather than schedules.
The Aer Turas DC4 (mostly they only had one) was a quite regular substitute for Cambrian Viscounts from Liverpool in the peak season, presumably at a low time for the horse business, but they must have had the seats in stock. Wonder how it smelled inside ?? !
I used the short-lived BMI London City to Leeds service (10 years ago ? someone will know* ), operated by an Atlantic ATR-42 under charter, and was surprised that we came in on 28. What was its length compared to LCY ? [* : Just checked - 2004.]
do not think BKS ever took the trident 1e to LBA even to show it off new in 1969...
Channel took theirs to Southend to show them off but do not think they did IT's from there.
Channel took theirs to Southend to show them off but do not think they did IT's from there.
Channel operated what Trident services they operated from the area out of Stansted, but the main usage of the aircraft was out of Berlin Tegel. One of their pair had a full IT contract from there, while the other stood for much of the time at Stansted being robbed for parts that Channel couldn't afford when they had so little work for the aircraft. Most of what they did do from the UK with it was ad-hoc subcharters.
There are tales of a BMA 1-11 launching from Leeds on a short-lived CDD-LBA-GLA service and causing many calls to the airport from locals.
I have no recollection of the Aer Turas DC4s being used for anything other than horse charters
Last edited by WHBM; 25th Aug 2013 at 15:34.
The Aer Turas DC4 (mostly they only had one) was a quite regular substitute for Cambrian Viscounts from Liverpool in the peak season, presumably at a low time for the horse business, but they must have had the seats in stock. Wonder how it smelled inside ?? !
