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What Cockpit? MK V

Old 8th Mar 2007, 11:44
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It is a Vautour
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Old 8th Mar 2007, 11:55
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Mel's Challenge

It is indeed the Sud-Ouest Vautour II. Kitbag beat you to it Tiger_mate by just 2 minutes. So Kitbag you have control.
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Old 8th Mar 2007, 12:08
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Kitbag beat you to it Tiger_mate by just 2 minutes
That'll teach me to go looking for a photograph also!!!
I think it is important though to put a 'face' on the cockpit as it were. That was a good challenge, and 'Non Fumer' gave it away as French. However I also thought the plan view bottom left referred to weapons, and I now believe it to be undercarriage.

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Old 8th Mar 2007, 12:35
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Tiger_mate

Thanks for that. I understand what you mean about putting a face to the aircraft. Here is another a photograph of the cockpit of another Vautour.
http://nl.airliners.net/photos/middle/4/4/1/0714144.jpg
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Old 9th Mar 2007, 10:00
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Can I decline at the moment, no scanner and far from home, perhaps Tiger Mate has something up his sleeve?
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Old 9th Mar 2007, 22:08
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Kitbag and Tiger mate

While awaiting your respective cockpit photos, here is one from the vault:
Here are better photos..






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Old 10th Mar 2007, 21:48
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Russian?
Rocket propelled?

Lots of instruments but no apparent throttle. Considered a helicopter but opting for a rocket. They experimented with rocket propelled sailplanes, could this be one?
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 00:13
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Sorry, not Russian, just an old photo from Russia.
Aircraft is piston engined.
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 00:30
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The Calcutta "Black Hole?"
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 12:27
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You're right, the photo is a bit dark. I've replaced the old with two better photos.
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 13:01
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Is it from the Miles stable?

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Old 11th Mar 2007, 13:19
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Sorry, not a Miles.
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 15:34
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evansb's challenge

Lokking at your second photograph the areas port and starboard of the central instrument panel look as though they are positions for machine guns. The aircraft looks 1930ish and I believe judging by the russian printing it is a russian aircraft so I will go for the Polikarpov I-3 which carried a pair of synchronised forward firing 7.62 mm Vickers or PV-1 machine guns.

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Old 11th Mar 2007, 15:51
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Mel, Yes, the aircraft is a mid-1930s design, and does indeed have twin forward firing sync. machine guns. Alas, the aircraft is not Russian.
Just under 600 were built.
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Don't you just love the MReyn24050 v. evansb sparring! Those two guys know more about cockpits than any Aviation "Expert"
Please don't stop!
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 17:22
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I'll have another stab. How about the Avia B.534 or 634?
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 18:39
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Mel, sorry, it is not an Avia, but it is of similar configuration to the B.534. The Russian cyrillic word stamped in the upper-left corner of the first photo roughly translates to "SECRETNO".
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Hi Bri
Interesting you state "the Russian cyrillic word stamped in the upper-left corner of the first photo roughly translates to "SECRETNO"." Yet you say it is not a russian aircraft am I corrrect in assuming that the document containing the photographs was marked secret as it had been obtained by their intelligence service.

You also state "it is of similar configuration to the B.534" so I will go for a version of the Arado Ar 68.

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Old 11th Mar 2007, 19:35
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Mel, the aircraft is not German, or Czech. I have tripled-checked the latest "What cockpit" list for past cockpits, and this one has not been posted before. You are probably correct regarding the Russian/Soviet
Intelligence markings on the photo.
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Hi Bri
You say that you have triple-checked the latest list and are sure it hasn't been posted before. At Page 14 Post #277 cringe posted a photograph of the IMAM RO.37 cockpit and then posted a photograph of the IMAM RO.37bis aircraft. This cockpit looks a little similar. It wouldn't be the IMAM RO.37 by any chance, which was an inline engine aircraft compared to the radial version the RO.37bis.
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