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What Cockpit? MK V

Old 8th Sep 2007, 00:17
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A wild guess. I,m not home and able to post a pik, so the floor is open.

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Old 8th Sep 2007, 08:45
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Woods, as you say a "Wild guess". Personally I am fatigued by the non-players in our forum. Can You offer an alternative? Signed, an av-buff.
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Old 8th Sep 2007, 10:34
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Mel's Challenge

In respect of the last challenge I note that I may have misled members regarding what type of aircraft the challenge was. When I responded to Akubra's query at post #2591, rather than type out the reply I tend to cut and paste and then amend unfortunately in this case I omitted to delete the word "amphibious". I do appreciate there is vast difference between an amphibian and a flying boat and very sorry if it led you down a wrong path. It certainly was not my intention to make the challenge more difficult.
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Old 8th Sep 2007, 13:06
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Very true Mel, I cant say I've ever seen a beached frog.
This begs another question.
What was the date that the first amphibian aircraft was produced?
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Old 8th Sep 2007, 15:07
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What was the date that the first amphibian aircraft was produced?
Interesting question, according to the Guinness "Book of Air Facts and Feats" the first take off from water by an aeroplane was made by Henri Fabre in his Gnome-powered monoplane floatplane at Martigues, near Marseille on the 28th March. However the first aeroplane to perform a premeditated landing on water,taxi and then take off was a Curtiss 'hydroaeroplane' flown by Glenn Curtiss on the 20 Jan 1911. He took off and then landed in San Diego Harbour,turned round and took off again, flying about 1 mile before coming down near his starting point.
I am not sure what the difference was between his flight and Henri Fabre's flight possibly the fact that Fabre took off and flew a short distance before landing on the water again. I am sure that his landing was also "premeditated".
According to Peter M Bowers book "Curtiss Aircraft 1907-1947" by Putnam Glenn Curtiss demonstrated the first successful amphibian the Triad at North Island, San Diego on 25th February 1911. This was a conventional landplane converted to water operations by the substitution of pontoons for wheels. Curtiss added retractable wheels under the lower wings of a hydro and adding a nosewheel to the bow of the float.
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Old 8th Sep 2007, 16:22
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I would go with the Curtiss Triad fitted with retractable gear, just for the fact that amphibious operations would seem rather dangerous otherwise.
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Old 8th Sep 2007, 19:45
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Next Challenge

Well to make up for my error I will post an easy one.

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Old 9th Sep 2007, 03:32
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Bellanca Pacemmaker?
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Old 9th Sep 2007, 09:05
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Not the Bellanca Pacemmaker.
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Old 10th Sep 2007, 21:11
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Looks like a Norseman but it ain't. Robert Noorduyn worked for Tony Fokker in North America, something from Fokker or Fairchild?
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Not a Fokker or Fairchild but there is a connection with Robert Noorduyn.
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Old 11th Sep 2007, 07:52
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Is this a later Pitcairn aircraft? PA 36?
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Yes, it is a Pitcairn aircraft but not the PA 36. For a bonus point can you identify the actual type?
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Old 11th Sep 2007, 09:36
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How about the AC 35; the 'roadable' one?
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Old 11th Sep 2007, 11:44
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No, Lars it is the Pitcairn PA-19. Pitcairn PA-19 Cabin Autogiro was the largest American Autogiro built. Five were constructed but it failed to find a market due to the Depression. In 1932, while at the Pitcairn-Cierva Autogiro Company of America, Robert B C Noorduyn was responsible for the design of the first enclosed, of this four-seater Autogiro.

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Old 11th Sep 2007, 12:21
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Thank you Mel but I feel a bit of a fraud not getting the type.
I apologise for the quality of this photo but I have seen very few others of aircraft made by this manufacturer who has not yet featured here.
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Old 11th Sep 2007, 18:09
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The Russian Grigorovich M.9 flying boat, sporting a rather large cannon. When fired, I would imagine the cannon's recoil would slow the aircraft by about 5 knots. Note the unusual vertical stab.

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Old 12th Sep 2007, 03:48
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Absolutely right, Bri.

The M9 was active in WW1 in the waters around Latvia and played an important role during the revolution.

Like you, I thought that the recoil from the cannon might have some adverse effect on the airspeed!

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Old 12th Sep 2007, 18:22
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Here is the next 'What cockpit?'
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Old 12th Sep 2007, 18:33
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Dang that looks so familiar, I'm probably going to hate myself for not remembering.

(This is what happens when you get old.)

Surely not a Boeing 737-100 series?
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