The Concorde thread (Don't start a separate one!)
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Aha, over on Other Aircrew Forums: Airlines, Airports & Routes: Concorde Memories & Related Threads, PPRuNer BAe 146-100 on 14 October posted the info, derived from http://www.concordesst.com/home.html:
*Concorde G-BOAD will [be] retired to the Intrepid Air and Space museum in New York. It will fly to New York on Monday October 27th , where work will begin to transport it onto a barge where it will be berthed next to the Intrepid Aircraft carrier. The museum have plans to protect it from the elements, but if their track record is anything to go by the aircraft could be in for a rough ride, as some of the aircraft on the actual carrier deck have seen better days. New York was seen as important to the success of Concorde within BA, and they feel strongly that one should go on display in the city.
*On 31st Oct Concorde G-BOAC is retired to the Manchester Airport viewing park. It will initially go on display next to the BAE Systems RJX100, currently the final ever passenger jet built in the UK. The Airport have grand plans, that will see the aircraft put on display inside a purpose built facility.
*G-BOAE will fly to Seattle (with a Tech stop possibly in Gander or Maine) on November 3rd. It will go on display in one of the world’s leading aircraft museums – The Museum of Flight, which included exhibits such as the worlds first ever Boeing 747 and a De Havilland Comet 4.
*The most controversial decision appears to be to send Concorde Alpha-Golf to Barbados on Nov 10th. Although Barbados was important to the aircraft with [its] scheduled winter services, the island does not even [have] an aviation museum. A local businessman has offered to construct a facility at Grantley Adams Airport. Although with people going to Barbados to relax and enjoy the sun, rather than going to see Concorde, the decision seems flawed, especially when there are a number of aviation museums or attractions in the UK that have missed out.
*The world’s final ever Concorde flight will be on Nov 17th [when] Concorde G-BOAF is retired to Filton. Concorde 216 was the final ever Concorde constructed and will initially be stored in the West Bay of the Brabazon hangar at the Airbus site. Eventually it will go on display when the Bristol Aviation heritage museum opens. Plans are afoot to display the aircraft at the Bristol Aviation Collection's new museum at Filton during the Summer of 2004.
There are presently no plans for a heritage aircraft to fly at special flypasts or at airshows, although if a last minute deal was struck with Airbus, G-BOAG would likely carry out this role rather than going straight away to Barbados.
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So the question is, if the "last minute deal" is still a possibility, why the rush to ship out the rest of the flock rather than retain at least some of them for parts etc.?
*Concorde G-BOAD will [be] retired to the Intrepid Air and Space museum in New York. It will fly to New York on Monday October 27th , where work will begin to transport it onto a barge where it will be berthed next to the Intrepid Aircraft carrier. The museum have plans to protect it from the elements, but if their track record is anything to go by the aircraft could be in for a rough ride, as some of the aircraft on the actual carrier deck have seen better days. New York was seen as important to the success of Concorde within BA, and they feel strongly that one should go on display in the city.
*On 31st Oct Concorde G-BOAC is retired to the Manchester Airport viewing park. It will initially go on display next to the BAE Systems RJX100, currently the final ever passenger jet built in the UK. The Airport have grand plans, that will see the aircraft put on display inside a purpose built facility.
*G-BOAE will fly to Seattle (with a Tech stop possibly in Gander or Maine) on November 3rd. It will go on display in one of the world’s leading aircraft museums – The Museum of Flight, which included exhibits such as the worlds first ever Boeing 747 and a De Havilland Comet 4.
*The most controversial decision appears to be to send Concorde Alpha-Golf to Barbados on Nov 10th. Although Barbados was important to the aircraft with [its] scheduled winter services, the island does not even [have] an aviation museum. A local businessman has offered to construct a facility at Grantley Adams Airport. Although with people going to Barbados to relax and enjoy the sun, rather than going to see Concorde, the decision seems flawed, especially when there are a number of aviation museums or attractions in the UK that have missed out.
*The world’s final ever Concorde flight will be on Nov 17th [when] Concorde G-BOAF is retired to Filton. Concorde 216 was the final ever Concorde constructed and will initially be stored in the West Bay of the Brabazon hangar at the Airbus site. Eventually it will go on display when the Bristol Aviation heritage museum opens. Plans are afoot to display the aircraft at the Bristol Aviation Collection's new museum at Filton during the Summer of 2004.
There are presently no plans for a heritage aircraft to fly at special flypasts or at airshows, although if a last minute deal was struck with Airbus, G-BOAG would likely carry out this role rather than going straight away to Barbados.
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So the question is, if the "last minute deal" is still a possibility, why the rush to ship out the rest of the flock rather than retain at least some of them for parts etc.?
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So the question is, if the "last minute deal" is still a possibility, why the rush to ship out the rest of the flock rather than retain at least some of them for parts etc.?
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BRITISH AIRWAYS ANNOUNCEMENT
BA should be making formal announcement on all of this today including disposal program. If anyone has news of this please report....
FYI No flightplans in the system for ANY CONC flights today ex-LHR.
Did anyone see the line up of 6x Concordes Friday night under spotlamps infront of the adjancent A30 hangar?
Very impressive. Anyone with digital pics of this please post....
FYI No flightplans in the system for ANY CONC flights today ex-LHR.
Did anyone see the line up of 6x Concordes Friday night under spotlamps infront of the adjancent A30 hangar?
Very impressive. Anyone with digital pics of this please post....
Was in the LHR area Saturday pm, so took the kids (well, I wanted a look aswell) for a drive around the back of the BA Hangars, telling them on the way that "we should be able to see all 7 today"!
From what could be seen (where the bloody screens didn't obscure the view, there were actually only 2 (AC and AG I think), so where were all the rest (apart from AF which I have no learnt from this thread is in the paintshop
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My last visual sighting was on Thurs eve when BA002 blasted over my W Berks abode (still and crisp night, so the Olympus crackle lasted for ages!) at about 1920L - 3 hours later she was on the telly landing at JFK - says it all.
From what could be seen (where the bloody screens didn't obscure the view, there were actually only 2 (AC and AG I think), so where were all the rest (apart from AF which I have no learnt from this thread is in the paintshop
)??My last visual sighting was on Thurs eve when BA002 blasted over my W Berks abode (still and crisp night, so the Olympus crackle lasted for ages!) at about 1920L - 3 hours later she was on the telly landing at JFK - says it all.
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I saw the whole thing from Primrose Hill in North London on friday evening. The spectacle was enjoyed by several hundred people from this vantage point. I know that certain ATCOs and aircrew read these forums and, politics aside, I just want to say thank you for a memory which I will have till the end of my days; It was a magnificent piece of airmanship. These people are a credit to their respective organisations. Well Done.
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Thanks Point5
Was this AlphaDelta due out today destined for JFK? I checked and no flightplans filed for today.
Still I hear of no official statement release from BA, could be as late as this week now.
Why repaint AF if its going to a new home?
Was this AlphaDelta due out today destined for JFK? I checked and no flightplans filed for today.
Still I hear of no official statement release from BA, could be as late as this week now.
Why repaint AF if its going to a new home?
Nearly 2500 names on the 'Save Concorde' petiton now ( www.saveconcorde.co.uk/sign ) - including a few celebs, ex-Concorde pilots and others! Good work - I just hope that Skippy is losing some sleep over this number of people saying that they'll be choosing airlines other than ba in future! This is what signing the petition means:
"The purpose of this petition is not intended to make us feel guilty if we have to fly with British Airways, but that we acknowledge we will spend a little extra time looking for an alternative when we travel. If an alternative is available, then we choose to fly with that other airline.
By signing this petition, you agree to look for flights with airlines other than British Airways where possible, until October 2004. Beyond this date, Concorde will be difficult to return to flying condition, so please do let your family, friends, colleagues and associates know about this urgent call for help. To send this to a friend, simply cut and paste the website address into your e-mail.
You also recognise that as a consumer, you have the ability to vote with your money, and can influence the decisions of British Airways by showing its shareholders that you choose to fly anyone BUT British Airways until they offer the nation the opportunity to keep Concorde flying!
Further information about Concorde and her plight for flight can be found on the Save Concorde homepage (www.saveconcorde.co.uk) "
"The purpose of this petition is not intended to make us feel guilty if we have to fly with British Airways, but that we acknowledge we will spend a little extra time looking for an alternative when we travel. If an alternative is available, then we choose to fly with that other airline.
By signing this petition, you agree to look for flights with airlines other than British Airways where possible, until October 2004. Beyond this date, Concorde will be difficult to return to flying condition, so please do let your family, friends, colleagues and associates know about this urgent call for help. To send this to a friend, simply cut and paste the website address into your e-mail.
You also recognise that as a consumer, you have the ability to vote with your money, and can influence the decisions of British Airways by showing its shareholders that you choose to fly anyone BUT British Airways until they offer the nation the opportunity to keep Concorde flying!
Further information about Concorde and her plight for flight can be found on the Save Concorde homepage (www.saveconcorde.co.uk) "
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Hail and Farewell
I was on the Biscay flight - my first Concorde flight, and of course, one of her last. There were few dry eyes when we landed, and it was awe-inspiring to see the ground crew lining the circumference of the airport. A high point of the day for me, too, was disembarking - having been prompted by my brother on my mob phone to "wave for the cameras" so that he and my kids would see me on TV, I provoked a completely unexpected cheer from the assembled crowd on the other side of the barrier - a great fellow-feeling at what was otherwise a pretty lowering moment. Will miss the beautiful girl terribly.
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This is thoroughly tedious.
If you wish to organise petitions, why not direct them at Airbus and AF?
There is NO WAY that BA can cause Concorde to continue beyond 31st October, only Airbus can permit that. Why the hell do you think it's being grounded just ahead of the (sold out 'til xmas) Barbados season?
Jeez, the information has been promulgated enough times.
If you wish to organise petitions, why not direct them at Airbus and AF?
There is NO WAY that BA can cause Concorde to continue beyond 31st October, only Airbus can permit that. Why the hell do you think it's being grounded just ahead of the (sold out 'til xmas) Barbados season?
Jeez, the information has been promulgated enough times.
Well, the petition is now over 2500 strong.......
That's a fair few pounds lost to Skippy's airline if they're all as good as their word.
I am sorry that you feel the national outrage following ba's actions to be 'thoroughly tedious', WOK - but you're entitled to your opinion as much as everyone else is.
That's a fair few pounds lost to Skippy's airline if they're all as good as their word.
I am sorry that you feel the national outrage following ba's actions to be 'thoroughly tedious', WOK - but you're entitled to your opinion as much as everyone else is.
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Why has AF been painted with the "Pause to Remember" if she isn't flying? This doesn't quite make sense.
Because she might be flying to her retirement home on Remembrance Sunday?