HC,am still tuned, but you seem a little quite of late,are you still tuned?

Oh, if you get paid out as a Creditor, do you think that there is any chance you might pay my,and my co-workers, entitlements?

It would be appreciated.

Apoligize for the double post, but a little search found where HC has been since he posted with us:

http://www.pprune.org/freight-dogs/3...e-sky-inc.html

probably busy getting on with life.

Half the people here don't know what their talking about, its not Nick's fault, its the management at OJ , who had no idea of their situational awareness.
We use to getaway with going nice big orbits around YSNF before doing our approach after beating the fuel burns and getting fat on the gas. The self loading freight thought it was great! LOL

Spoilerfloat/Nick you are not making any sense, so I will translate for Ppruners not in the know. What has situationally unaware management got to do with fuel reserves and scenic flights at Norfolk? The two dills who went out there on different occasions, found they were a bit above max landing weight so did a lap of the Island to burn some gas. In your world a firm manager would have fired them for lack of creativity. Sent them packing and whining to CASA and the newspapers.
Astute pilots out in the middle of nowhere would probably prefer to keep the fuel and massage the books. Easily done in an old banger with iffy fuel gauges.
Nick, the buggers were all out to assault your wallet. It sent you broke. It consumes you.

HC Response from another forum.

http://www.pprune.org/freight-dogs/3...ml#post4965966

I had some dealing's with NL quite some years back and I sure he said that his old man owned HL when it was in the UK( can't quite remember the full details). Can anybody confirm this.

The Dog:rolleyes:

So whats the latest with the aircraft in Perth? Have they started a maintenance program on the 2 that are airworthy or not?

Only one is airworthy and even that is questionable.

Next creditors meeting on the 24th maybe?? Will we be voting??

Mad if you don't vote. Whether other unsecured creditors will accept 5 cents in the dollar or just vote it to liquidation to piss a certain person off remains to be seen, so employee votes will probably decide which way it goes. The Administrator, who may end up with the deciding vote in a deadlock, could go either way.
If it does go to a Deed of Company Arrangement the interesting bit will be what future level of service the new owners would get from the same creditors, who will rightly feel that they were dudded by the old Ozjet.
For any new OzJet to rise again, some good guarantees and money up front will be needed. Money talks, bull!!!! walks.

I'll be voting.........LIQUIDATE.

Just so tired of trusting uppper Management, at least if it is liquidated I will get paid out by GEERS and JUST maybe someone will investigate why the taxpayer had to fork out once again.

And uppper Management, thanks for the continual updates on the situation...NOT!!!!!

I noticed in todays Australian that Strategic are advertising for line pilots.

It is my understanding that none of the ex Ozjet pilots have been offered employment to date.

If the purchase of Ozjet does succeed, one can assume that none of the ex Ozjet pilots will be offered employment.

I have also been told that ex cabin crew will not be offered employment either.

If that is the case what is the value in giving a yes vote at the upcoming creditors meeting? Whether we vote YES or NO we will still receive our outstanding severance pay either from Strategic or through GEERS.

Seems like the only winners in this whole debacle are NL and Strategic.

A question for those more knowledgeable, even if Ozjet is sold does the administrator continue to see if it was trading insolvent? If not then I am swaying to the NO vote cos I don't want NL to get out of this mess without facing the music.

Just wait and see, upper management will get jobs, but for the rest of the guys, go find another job.

If this mob can't look after the ones at the coal face why should I give them my vote and hand them the company, its AOC and the routes on a silver platter.

I'm voting a big "FAT NO" unless some sort of offer come along for the flightdeck/cabin crew and ops.

I've heard that the aircraft have received a deposit from an american airline?

Airheadguy,

It it pointless to whip the troops up into a tiz over this. Strategic have advertised primarily for A320/330 quilified people because that is the backbone of their operation. Just wait and see. Be patient and see what comes out of this. Don't jump at shadows!

Why would you assume this? Not a good idea to start this sort of thing. What other information do you have that supports this contention? (PM if you like).

By who and for what reason? This just sounds like galley gossip :rolleyes: Stratigic are not in a position to offer anyone employment at the moment-they dont even have any aeroplanes for people to crew.

Crew,

quite easy to see how these threads pick up momentum and start to spiral out of control.

The majority on the O7 company payroll were terminated around the 20th of last month with many being on enforced leave prior to that.

For quite some time rumours have abounded with talk of sales causing hope of re-employment (both in the short and in the long term) raising hope when employment prospects are low and bills are still to be paid

But it would, on the face of a recent advert, appear that those hopes may have been dashed.

So understandly some of that angst will spill and end up here, bearing in mind that the staff are creditors and have a LITTLE bit of a say in what will happen.

And you are a little wrong when you say that that Strategic is not in a position to offer employment, they actually advertised today in the Australian for crew.

Good luck to all.

Dunnza, the cost of getting those old bangers airworthy then ferrying them to the USA would exceed their value. They will be scrapped and the parts will end up in third world airplanes.
Tim Tam, not all upper management will get a gig at Strategic. Head of Ops has already been told that none of the postholders will be required as they have their own Airbus experts etc. and the manuals are already copied...err...written.
Crewrest and Dolequeue, while it was stupid and insensitive of Strategic to run that advert today, if Ozjet becomes their train set they will pick and choose who they keep on.

Gas-Chamber

There are managers and management.

If the upper management took even one leaf out of the CURRENT Head of Ops management book, the crews would at least have an idea where they stand and maybe have moved on resigned to the fact.

Is interesting to see some long gone O7 UPPER management are the ones now trying to buy the company.

When starting a new airline or introducing a new type, CASA quite properly expects some instant expertise to be in place to do crew training etc.
However, Strategic has already advertised several times for Airbus and management pilots, so they must have an idea of who is available. Also, the advertisement claims their team to be 'outstanding' so they must have considerable seed expertise there already.
I agree with gas-chamber that advertising when they did was poor timing.
On the one hand they are trying to win displaced Boeing pilots' hearts and minds for a favourable creditors' vote; and on the other hand they send a message that Boeing pilots don't meet their criteria for hiring. Where is the quid pro quo in that?
If Strategic want this deal to get up, maybe they need to consider offering OzJet crews employment. Converting to an Airbus would be no big deal for any competent Boeing pilot or cabin crew. Thousands have already done it.
When managing aircrew, carrot and stick works. Carrot - Airbus training; employment contract. Stick - agreed wage freezes until the recession is over; productivity initiatives.
As for management - good management transcends aeroplane types.

Stratigic have done a deal to buy OZ Jet and pay full staff entitlements on 26 June. Should the staff vote for the deed full payment ( including redund $ ) will be immediate and re hiring will start the following week . If the staff vote the deed down no payout or jobs for the staff and staff will have to wait many months for GEARS payments. :cool:

When you say "re hiring". Is that re hiring of Ozjet staff?

"Including redundancy $" does that mean full redundancy payments?

I would get these points clarified and set in stone before voting either way.

Take no notice of Heavy Cargo. He has a vested interest in sale at any price because if it liquidates, ASIC may come after him. If there is a sale he will get some money out of it.
Strategic have only agreed to pay out staff entitlements. They have made no employment promises.

Gas chamber. ASIC will not be after anyone you do live in dream world. If it liquidates no one gets anything which would suit a guy like you.
If it continues Stratigic move forward with AOC and all the staff get paid EVERYTHING immediatly. Some will get jobs.
No a hard call ??????????? :cool:

Wats happening to the 737-200's Heavycargo? A320 to operate Per-DCN-PER and PER-DPS-PER and XMS ISLAND???

I presume Heavy Cargo, that you have the Administrator's authority to speak on his behalf and that the Administrator will be making full disclosure of the proposed sale in his next report to Creditors, including a guarantee of full settlement of all staff entitlements?

Or is this an un-authorised statement relative to what is on your personal wish list?

No, not if it came from an authorised officer of the company, such as the Administrator. How much integrity the statement has coming from an ex Director, is no doubt a matter for conjecture.

:confused:

Carried over from the merged thread....

So Bundaberg, since when have Strategic been a proven operator that can then be deemed to be respected and have a solid corporate structure?

It's in fact the direct opposite. It has never been an operator and if it has it's been on the basis of a borrowed AOC.

Yes, it does have a corporate structure and there is certianly experience there. In particular experience with the failed Ozjet the first time round!! How wonderful.

They are to this date a charter broker!!:ugh:

HC, you make a wild prediction, there, that may get people's hopes up.

However, interested parties only need to go back and read previous posts of yours also with predictions to see how many of these actually came to pass. This will be another of those predictions - I'd like to be preven wrong, but I won't hold my breath. When considering how to vote, be careful and consider the interests of such people.

Rudder you have hit the nail on the head, Strategic haven't done anything as yet to prove themselves. They have been fortunate enough to land a fat government contract but will find I think life in the real world a little different and as you mentioned they are using staff who have not done so well in the past.

Heavy Cargo,
The only person living in a dream world is YOU mate!

Feenix,

And the sharks are circling on the fat contract as we speak!!

It will be an interesting few months on that front. The Standing order is up for Tender and to be honest I just think a lot of what Strategic is doing is just noise to exhibit they are getting underway with an operation as they don't meet some essential criteria going forward for the standing offer and for which Defence and CASA has been criticised in the past.

A response to Rudder.
 

Rudder,

You are correct that Strategic operate as a Charter Broker but lets give them some credit. Their operations have the approval of the authorities, they may use foreign AOC yet they comply and continue to pay their bills and thus deserve some credit.

Their previous association with Ozjet would have terminated in mid 2008.

Strategic in general have the experience, changes have taken place over the past few years which may find their team stronger than most expect.

It will be their decision to get together with the Oz-Heavy operation. One can see the passenger gain once all aircraft are operational. For freight, it may take time to see the aircraft available, if ever???

Tks

Does it really matter what Strategic do?

Surely the issue is whether there is a deed or arrangement whereby Strategic buys the company (and thus AOC) which guarantees payment of employees entitlements?

Keep focused! :=

Wages and entitlements???
 

Well HC

You always keep on about how HLC has paid wages and kept all super up-to-date.



I have not received my last fortnights pay, entitlements, been honored for my last months termination period, been paid any claims that have been lodged, and I have also been in contact with my super company, and guess what, they haven't been paid either.

I have also tried to get a straight answer from anyone within the company, but with no luck. I have left messages for someone to give me a call-back, including yourself, and nobody has the decency to even give me a call back, even just to tell me to :mad:-off!!!

So you will excuse the people that are a bit irate with the situation, especially when you put posts up on a public forum that most of us know are just pure fabrications or blatant lies!

Good luck with your future endeavors, and may you live a long and prosperous life!!

Vote Yes to the Strategic sale next Wednesday and pick up all your entitlements immediatly including notice period and holidays.

If you vote no you can always go back to being a brain surgeon. :cool:

Heavy Cargo, how about you answer the anomalies raised by taz1971 which would seem to indicate you are telling porkies?

Or are you misleading everyone when you say "Heavy Lift paid the last payroll"? Maybe, but to whom - HL or OJ? And whose Super is up to date? Some specifics, please, seeing you are advocating people to vote as you recommend.

HL you sound like such a compassionate caring guy who has nothing but his ex staff's welfare at heart. Even if they defy your demands you are still willing to retrain them as brain surgeons. What a guy!!!!!!!!!!! Or is it just plain blackmail with no guarantees of what you promise once the vote is over.

I don't pretend to be an expert on this subject, but from an outsider looking in it seems that Heavy Cargo has a vested interest in the sale of Ozjet.

All those who are employed by Ozjet do yourselves a favour, think carefully and do your research before making a decision if this offer goes to a vote.

HC seems only interested in pushing his own barrow, not the welfare and livelihood of those caught up in this unfortunate set of circumstances.

Beware of hidden pitfalls. I wouldn't trust this guy/gal as far as I could throw him/her.

I doubt that HeavyCargo is only interested in himself, this being the case where Heavylift have applied for more capacity?

http://www.iasc.gov.au/applications/files/4418.pdf

Had a phone call today from my mate in the west, he said that there was some activity going on 2 of the 737's the other day. Anyone confirm that?

can anyone tell me what ever happened to the FA mgr? has she boarded her broomstick back home yet?