Gnd Power
 

All I can say is OUT with the old and in with the NEW.... management that is!!:D

Sorry, I'm with angucci 110%. Have worked for many airlines over the years and have to say I have never seen such incompetance when it came to management decission making with this set up. Even a blonde serving tea and coffee could see they couldn't organise a p:mad: up in a brewery. Very very sad day, congratulations Mel management you finally put the nail in the coffin :(:(:(

Its a shame Nick that it ended up this way. I know you did try. I hope you can get something sorted out at least. CASA really don't like AOC addition's or New AOC's for the matter. Perhaps a big kick up the backside would help those people at CASA to sign off those bits of paper. I am still waiting for my AOC and about to try legal action......... Perhaps a phone call to Mr Rudd would help my case.

Well its offical... Ozjet is offically grounded according to other forums, and on perthnow...

Rumours are floating around that $200,000 are owed to Perth airport and the reason to shutting up shop was because they could not get the freighters on the australian register according to the west australian

Well a little truth woudn't hurt now would it? Who didn't pay Perth airport? Ask Heavy Cargo. Who put out the stupid "Ozjet" comment about CASA and adding freighters? Ask Heavy Cargo and his spin doctors.

Hey heavy, so you've paid the Ozjet staff have you? Until when? And what about super and leave owing etc etc? Why not tell the world about that too? not that anyone would expect to hear the truth.

So that leaves a twice weekly Derby service and Bali service for Indojet up for grabs. I assume there are forward bookings for Bali during Winter.

So who at Perth has the capacity to pick up the work?

leech

–noun


a person who clings to another for personal gain, esp. without giving anything in return, and usually with the implication or effect of exhausting the other's resources; parasite.

You gotta laugh, don't you. Someone owing Ozjet/HL a fair swag of money. That's gotta be a first. Give me the name of who's in charge of Indojet. I wanna know his secret!

We can all save ourselves a lot of bandwidth here. Go to the Sky Air World or Macair threads and read all about it. Just change the names, the plot is the same.

Heard on the grapevine the HL 727 crews are waiting for pay cheques also.

O7 showing on ASIC search as ** UNDER EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATION and/or CONTROLLER APPOINTED **

H.C., yes, did get my pay cheque today,........any chances of my leave entitlements?

Doleque, it will be a tense wait for the cheque to clear!!
Others that have left previously are still waiting on some entitlements to be paid.

Exgolfer

didn't think of that...but the bank does show the deposit. Fingers are crossed (legs and eyes as well)!

Re the entitlements......forgone conclusion there I am afraid, certainly would have made the next month or so a little easier.

Pity that there was not someway that the yearly leave entitlements could be held in trust rather than be unfunded as it were.

Considering that 0J staffing got to the stage where leave could not granted as the staffing levels were too low. Cant take leave, leave accrues, company goes bust, you lose your leave entitlements. Vicious indeed.

Though not the first time (or company) and sadly, in all likleyhood wont be the last.

Saw a HL 727 landing BN today. Final flight for this aircraft? Don't see them flying daylight hours much these days. I forgot how much better they look than their replacements on the domestic scene.

Hope all those out of work find something soon. When things pick up again it will hopefully happen quickly.

Alliance could do well out of this. Right aircraft at right cost in right place to pick up some good flying. And some good crews with the necessary route experience on tap in Perth if they need them.

Skystar320 do you really believe they owe OJ money?
Have you read the Australian today?
Believe what HC says?
Believe in fairies?

NL has a reputation to live up to and that is what he is currently doing.

Lies, lies and more lies.

OJ has been bled dry and guess where the money has gone.

Not to the creditors! Nor the workers:mad:

I'm just going on what the West Australian mentioned earlier this week. I did not read The Australian.

I have deleted the coment - as I based my facts on journalism...

No problems at all, just setting the record a little bit straighter.

Here's the real story.

Ozjet on ground as its parent pulls plug
Steve Creedy | May 22, 2009
Article from: The Australian
OZJET Airlines' parent has placed the troubled carrier in administration after it was abruptly forced to cease operations from Perth on Wednesday.

The airline, started by Formula One racing identity Paul Stoddart and now owned by Sydney-based Heavylift Cargo Airlines, was forced to axe its flights after Perth airport refused to handle its planes because of unpaid debts.

Ozjet had three older Boeing 737-200s in Perth performing ad-hoc charters as well as flying a scheduled service to Derby and operating flights to Bali on behalf of travel company Indojet Asia.

At least one of those jets,

VH-OZD, was listed for sale on the internet yesterday for $625,000.

The move forced Indojet, which says it was not told until Wednesday about the airline's problems, to scramble to make alternative arrangements for holidaymakers stranded in Perth and Bali.

Ozjet blamed the decision on problems with the Civil Aviation Safety Authority and Indojet Asia, although both have since rejected the claim.

But Perth airport confirmed that it had refused to continue handling the airline because it had become a credit risk.

Perth airport chief executive Brad Geatches said that Ozjet had arrears amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars and extending back to 2008.

He said the airline had broken "dozens of promises" and Ozjet had become a significant credit risk after parent Heavylift had told the airport it would no longer support the airline.

Ozjet blamed its position primarily on CASA, saying it would not allow it to add cargo aircraft to its air operators' certificate.

It also claimed that money owed by Indojet had further exacerbated the situation.

"The resultant lack of revenue has resulted in a significant impact on the airline's overall business plan," it said.

A CASA spokesman confirmed that Ozjet approached the regulator seeking to add a cargo aircraft to its air operators' certificate.

"Ozjet put the application on hold before providing any further documentation," he said.

Indojet Asia's lawyer, Andrew Chelvathurai, also denied that the company owed Ozjet money.

He said Indojet, which runs resorts in Bali and chartered the Ozjet planes to fly passengers to the island resort, had paid for those charters.

"Indojet has been paying in advance," he said.

Mr Chelvathurai said Indojet had discovered only on Wednesday that Ozjet was in arrears with its landing fees.

He said about 60 people were stranded in Bali and Indojet was making alternative arrangements to fly them home on other budget carriers.

It was also talking to the carriers about setting up another charter arrangement for future flights.

Mr Chelvathurai said that Ozjet had failed to tell Indojet about the arrears and that it was in financial difficulty.

"It would have been better if Ozjet had told them in advance that they were having problems because this problem has been festering for more than 10 months, since last September," he said.

Queensland-based Alliance Airlines confirmed yesterday that it had begun flying the Perth-Derby service under a charter arrangement.

It said it would enter into a more permanent arrangement from next Tuesday.

Ozjet has had a chequered career, including a failed attempt by Mr Stoddart to set it up as an all business-class airline.

The experiment ended up costing Mr Stoddart $1 million a week and he abandoned it in March 2006 and quietly converted the airline into a charter operation.

At least three operators have failed in Australia in the past 18 months -- Queensland-based MacAir and SkyAirWorld and O'Connor Airlines, based in South Australia.

Perhaps the lawyer may care to pick up the 'phone and speak with someone who actually knows the meaning of the word "truth" :rolleyes:

Indojet
 

It will become clear soon enough if Indojet owes OzJet money. The administrator of OzJet will certainly chase the supposed amounts owing.

Does anyone know when OBN left Perth? A mate of mine said that OZU and OZX were sitting oposite the skywest hangar today.

Engineer Aus, not sure of the regos but yesterday (Thur) there were two where you mention. Didn't notice today.

OZX is the only remaining airworthy ship. All others grounded for various reasons. If OZX does not go into storage maintenance or get released from the pound to have a run it will also be grounded.

If they had been on the straight and narrow from the start and not tried to do things on the cheap I think they would be still flying. Ozjet had some good contracts in WA, a shame to see it dissolve as there were some good people in the operation.

Ozjet
 

Heavylift will no longer provide financial support to its subsidary Ozjet after ongoing losses, thus placing the Company in receivership. Ozjet hasn't really been make long term sustainable returns since Stoddard came up with that crazy idea to run a pure business class service up and down the eastern ports.

Norfolk Is business was OK, but ongoing maint costs keeping the 732 going kept on eating into the earnings on this part of the business.

Aka Ansett & AirNewZealand situation.

Heavylift is a great company with a fanatastic business model, it bought Ozjet really to gain the AOC.

As of Friday all Heeavylift suppliers & staff have been paid.

Heavylift will actually convert one of the 732 to a freighter, SAE have already have a proposal in for the job.

SpoilerFloat,

And there is what is wrong with the industry generally. Someone like you and obviosulsy NL who think they can incur costs and then walk away. The debts are NL's no matter what company is involved. It needs to come out of one pocket or the other.

The reality is what we have here is NL and co incuring debts on the basis that they can walk away because it is a limited liability company structure. They are just using structures to support and protect themselves to the detriment of others. The creditors did not agree to provide working capital.

The concept that he took over the debts of Ozjet as alluded in some press is farcicle. If he had paid for the company without the debt, the money would have come out of his pocket and then Stodart would have paid the debts. This is a case of where those creditors have been used as a form of financing without any say in it. It is almost certain that NL could not put his hand in his pocket to pay for the company outright.

As to it being CASA's fault for not putting the 727F's on the AOC, give me a break. HL has been a flag of convenience operator all along. When the Seirra Leonne option closed out what did NL do. Go and get an AOC in the Phillipines another leading light in the regulatory world. Why not Australia at that point if there were no shortcuts taken. HL is without doubt Australian Based. The fact that CASA and the Aussie Government permit this is the disgrace. The fact that Defence even charter them (and others in the same situation) is beyond belief.

This whole business model that you refer to as being great is in fact almost immoral. At the very best its uncompetative and does untold damage to the viability and sustainability of other operators and hence jobs and security of jobs. The business model that you incur debts that you dont pay because you have a structure that lets you compartmentalise your liabilities without recourse is also immoral.

To be here on your first post supporting this is amazing in itself.

...Spray Finished....

You have a good day

Good post Rudder. I have often wondered if the lessons of what happened to the Australian Maritme industry would be lost/forgotten in a deregulated aviation environment; there's the answer.

I think spoilerfloat= Heavycargo. Not sure, just opinion.

In the same way that olderairhead=ringin - Some inside info on that one.

:hmm:

If Heavy lift acquire a 732, will that generate funds for the administrator to pay staff entitlements?

Crew rest

This will probably have to end in a similiar way to that of Sky.

Time consuming, but the Government scheme (GEERS ) will probably be the only way that entitlements might be obtained as I would have thought that Oz would have be structured in such a way that it would not have many assets.

Unfortunately Oz needs to be declared bancrupt (or go into liquidation)before GEERS can be accessed.

Have a read of the latest Norfolk Islander where the Finance Minister all but writes off the $800k that Ozjet owe the government. Friends on Norfolk tell me you can increase that amount by 50% when you include what else is owed by OJ out there. So, $1.2m - even if they sold the aircraft they'd barely be able to settle one debt let alone all the others.

2ndtime
 

It was great working with you ladies and gents, good luck to us all!

The NL plan all along must have been to strip Ozjet for all it was worth then walk away. No other explanation makes any sense.

As for other operators ops in the country, its in the CAO's or CAR's somewhere. Perfectly legal since 1988! Vincents do it up in DRW I am lead to believe ops the B1900's on the ZK register. Wouldn't it be cheaper to get a B733 and convert it to a freighter, or get a 732F from the dessert? However whats the difference in a B721F and a B732F in weight and volume size? Also adding another type to the fleet wouldnt that add a lot more cost?

Flags of convenience
 

I think you may be getting confused here. Yes, Australia and New Zealand have an agreement recognizing each other's licencing standards and enabling the operation of ZK- registered aircraft in Australia, or VH- registered aircraft in NZ. However, the operation of other foreign registered aircraft requires that

• they be registered in an ICAO contracting state
• the aircraft may operate from, but not within, Australia
• the operator hold an Australian foreign operator's AOC

With NZ registered aircraft, CASA have a degree of control via their agreements with CAA NZ. With aircraft registered elsewhere they do not.

Once the OZ Jet dead wood and people complaining like you are gone it may well fly again ? We will see what the rejected parking police working at CASA want to do ? Stay tuned. :cool:

HC

DUHHH!!

What the hell does that wafle mean. It does explain some of the poblems at OJ and HL though. Great way to get some sympathy from CASA to the plight of the companies! Not

HC, why would the rejected parking police at CASA want to do anything? Ozjet's self destruction has just saved them a lot of bother. As for helping in any way, forget it, CASA is not in the resurrection business. If you want to continue in aviation, how about a return to Sierra Leone, where there is considerable scope and where you must still have contacts.
Of course you would have to be based there this time round.

HC....no integrity, no credibility. How many more broken promises, how many more lies. Blame the MEL management or deadwood as you call it all you like, but the dozens of broken promises (refer the PER airport spokesman) and outright lies appear to have all started from the 7th floor in Castlereagh St in Sydney. Who bled Ozjet of its working capital to the point of starvation and made this appointment of an administrator inevitable? Is it true that you have a charge over Ozjet that means you will get whatever is left and all the other creditors, big and small, will get nothing? Very clever!

Spoilerfloat aka Penny Pittstop aka heavy Cargo aka NL please explain...?
"Heavylift will actually convert one of the 732 to a freighter, SAE have already have a proposal in for the job."

So, you are about to spend $1.5 million on a B732 worth $150,000 to get a 10 ton payload freighter. A plan.
Especially when you already claim to have an Aussie registered B727 freighter all ready to go, just waiting for the nod from CASA. Whats the holdup? The small matter of heavy maintenance? Maybe an engine overhaul? An approved system of maintenance? Crew training? Engineers? A hangar for the occasional visit? Spares? Support from Boeing? You could have 20 tons of payload and quite a schmicko operation for the same 1.5 mill.
Ah but there's a catch to all this. Those unreasonable people at CASA blocking you for no good reason. Sic the lawyers onto them, that will show them.
Keep up with the medication.