Yes, the 4/3% is merely (hopefully) keeping up with CPI.

The one off pay rise should be greater and any chance of getting that will be completely off the table now. 13.36% will not happen either.
Why start with the lowest number from the get go? Isn’t that negotiation 101? 13.36% would be the lowest I’d accept after the past 15 years.

QF offered the standard 2 year pay freeze and then AFAP come back with 13.36%. So we’ll likely see 5, 10% at absolute best. A poor result in the current negotiation environment.

Maybe I’ll be proven wrong and the IR team will actually come to the table with good faith negotiations like they keep on saying. We shall see…

They need to stop hiding behind the concept of CPI. The real cost of living is WAY above CPI and to call a CPI increase an increase is a compete fallacy. They also need to put a stop to calling (for example) 4% over 4 years a 16% increase, it’s a 4% increase over successive years…years during which you are still being overtaken by the yearly cost of living.

So have AFAP actually negotiated anything? Or have they just put together a wish list that they will never achieve but makes them sound tough.

AFAP probably is below what we should expect after the past 15 years. I’ve heard nothing from AIPA (specifics), so which is better?!

Are you really asking if ‘good’ communications outweighs actual results?

What’s the likelihood of the company engaging in ‘good faith’ negotiations with AFAP whilst they already have a lesser “deal” with AIPA?

We all know good faith in the Qantas corporate dictionary has been replaced by bull**** them and tell them they won’t get back pay.

Strike action is imminent.

By who if AIPA have reportedly reached a deal?

if there’s a deal then where are the details? Why would they sit on them?

What’s the breakdown of AFAP to AIPA members? If AIPA are as pro company as we think, it would be helpful if they didn’t hold the balance of power, as it were.

all of us if we aren’t happy eating a **** sandwich. It would want to be a good deal after the past few years of absolute abuse under Joyce and co.
union can agree to anything…it’s up to the membership to vote.
PIA all the way for me if the company plays ANY games.
I’m done. 95% of us are.

Reported where?

If in doubt, call a rep. I did - no in-principle agreement reached yet, negotiations are ongoing. When there’s something to report, it’ll be reported.

I’d love to know the breakdown too. Very tempted to switch given what I’ve seen. NS trashed the place and left an absolute lack of trust.

I've heard maybe mid next week

Why wouldn't they do their job as our elected reps? Christ on a bike what's with people demanding every detail of a delicate negotiation?

You can also pick up a phone and ask WTH is going on, or attend the aipa meet days. I've talked to a few reps and they've bounced a few ideas, some I bounced back.




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You’ll get 0%, 0%, 3%, 3% otherwise every other entity that has negotiated an agreement since implementation of the ‘wage policy’ gets a 6% pay rise.

Do you think you’re better then all these other businesses?

all down to how to hide what you want while giving them their headline of "it fits the wages policy"

Why should pilots remuneration depend on what other entities negotiate? Because of a “policy” plucked out of thin air?
Aren’t you all then beholden to the poorest negotiators and their terrible EA outcome?

Seems pretty crazy that pay “rises” can be tied to say FAs, who can walk into the job off the street, and have an average “career” length of ~5 years. They have much less to lose when settling for the first available cash hit.

If that’s all they were able to negotiate, then yes.