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soseg 2nd Sep 2023 03:53


Originally Posted by airdualbleedfault (Post 11495404)
So circa Network 5th year A320 pay, FFS is that legit?

Network 320 FOs don’t earn that much.

Lambswool 2nd Sep 2023 20:34


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 11495412)
Could you elaborate further!

Night freight... Does it need to be elaborated any further?

But i guess if you havent done it then you would be none the wiser. Its conducive to chronic fatigue and ones health suffers as a result. $$ dont fix it, but it should at least be compensated accordingly.

plotplot 4th Sep 2023 22:24


Originally Posted by Pedalz (Post 11495150)
Some of us still actually have self esteem but hey maybe it's just me?

Apologies for the bluntness but the fact there's people actually defending those in the group working under below award wages because they get a few extra days off a month and can text their mates to cover a flight due to their lack of rostering provisions is astounding.

how many extra days a month actually is it?
Anyone know awhat a typical roster looks like?

bangbounceboeing 4th Sep 2023 23:05

I’ve searched but can’t find the current EBA online. Anybody have a link ?

MikeHatter732 4th Sep 2023 23:11

Express Freighters Australia Operations Pty Ltd Enterprise Agreement 2021 | Fair Work Commission (fwc.gov.au)

bangbounceboeing 5th Sep 2023 00:03

Thank you

markis10 9th Sep 2023 05:01

EBF will be back in country 23 sept.

VHOED191006 16th Sep 2023 10:00

Does anyone know if the EFR has been sold off yet?

deja vu 16th Sep 2023 10:37


Originally Posted by davidclarke (Post 11495327)
What a silly comment. So it’s ok to pay well below industry rate then? They also work the most fatiguing duties in the group and almost entirely back of the clock…..but hey let’s pay them less because they work less total hours😡. If anything these roles should be worth more not less.

So what exactly is "industry rate" Is it Mainline or Virgin or Jetstar, maybe REX or Bonza, then it could be Aero Costa Rica , or Air France or maybe its the "award"

Could be interesting if Tony Bourke's "same job same pay" thing actually happens.EFA paying mainline rates or ice versa.

vhpjl 21st Sep 2023 01:07


Originally Posted by markis10 (Post 11499612)
EBF will be back in country 23 sept.


EBF departing PUS - BNE in 5 minutes. ETA 0941z

puff 21st Sep 2023 02:02


Originally Posted by deja vu (Post 11503661)
So what exactly is "industry rate" Is it Mainline or Virgin or Jetstar, maybe REX or Bonza, then it could be Aero Costa Rica , or Air France or maybe its the "award"

Could be interesting if Tony Bourke's "same job same pay" thing actually happens.EFA paying mainline rates or ice versa.

There seems to be a misunderstanding of the idea of this policy of 'same job same pay'. Its mainly for usage in say the place of mines - where person A is employed by the mine, and earns 100K a year, person B is employed as a contractor, does the same job as person A, but earns 80K a year.

Its not on the basis that person C earns $160K at another mine doing the same job as person A and B, and that they will now all earn 160K.

Where it effects a company like QF, is the cabin crew where you have mainline crew, and QCCA etc working together on the same aircraft on different wages and conditions, as that is the same as the A/B situation as above.


Johnny_56 21st Sep 2023 04:53


Originally Posted by puff (Post 11506268)
There seems to be a misunderstanding of the idea of this policy of 'same job same pay'. Its mainly for usage in say the place of mines - where person A is employed by the mine, and earns 100K a year, person B is employed as a contractor, does the same job as person A, but earns 80K a year.

Its not on the basis that person C earns $160K at another mine doing the same job as person A and B, and that they will now all earn 160K.

Where it effects a company like QF, is the cabin crew where you have mainline crew, and QCCA etc working together on the same aircraft on different wages and conditions, as that is the same as the A/B situation as above.

I guess the question then is: Are Qantas group pilots employed by the same company - ie Qantas/“Qantas group” or are they separate companies in fair works eyes.

Thumb War 21st Sep 2023 07:27


Originally Posted by puff (Post 11506268)
There seems to be a misunderstanding of the idea of this policy of 'same job same pay'. Its mainly for usage in say the place of mines - where person A is employed by the mine, and earns 100K a year, person B is employed as a contractor, does the same job as person A, but earns 80K a year.

Its not on the basis that person C earns $160K at another mine doing the same job as person A and B, and that they will now all earn 160K.

Where it effects a company like QF, is the cabin crew where you have mainline crew, and QCCA etc working together on the same aircraft on different wages and conditions, as that is the same as the A/B situation as above.

So what about the mainline SOs? These days you can have two of them sitting next to each other on vastly different salaries

Callsign Please 21st Sep 2023 10:24


Originally Posted by Thumb War (Post 11506348)
So what about the mainline SOs?

Fits the intent of the law perfectly, but the main thrust is targeting labour hire, and minister has even said it doesn’t apply to EBA provisions.
Optimistic but not confident.

Orange future 21st Sep 2023 16:59


Originally Posted by davidclarke (Post 11495327)
So it’s ok to pay well below industry rate then?

The EFA conditions are on par with the “industry rates” you speak of.

QF mainline conditions are the outlier and are a relic from a bygone era.

ResumeOwnNav 22nd Sep 2023 02:10


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 11495360)
I’m sure what the EFA wide body Pilots get paid is comparable to what the Atlas crew operating under the Qantas call signs are getting paid.

The Atlas CBA is also available online. Those Atlas Crew operating under the Qantas call signs get a base salary of USD97.60 per hour Year 1. Those early E3s now on Year 3 are USD170.74 per hour. Base Salary.

Minimum Monthly Guarantee is 64 hours. Most would average 75-80 hours credit per month. 13-15 days off.

ZebraFlyer 23rd Sep 2023 15:25

You're about right. $6350 USD before tax.

skrtel 25th Sep 2023 22:11

Why doesn’t the new 330 freighter have the nose gear bump on the body. Like all other a330 freighters ?

blubak 25th Sep 2023 23:37


Originally Posted by skrtel (Post 11509077)
Why doesn’t the new 330 freighter have the nose gear bump on the body. Like all other a330 freighters ?

Pretty sure its only 330's actually built as freighters that have the 'bump' as you mention.
The reason it is there is to make the floor level for easier loading/unloading.
The converted 330's have an electric cargo moving system installed to overcome the nose up attitude on ground.
Happy to be corrected on this 1.

Wizofoz 4th Oct 2023 12:03

Saw an EFA A330 land at Adelaide today.


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