Man, such a sour mob.
There's a reason airlines ask for them. Because supply still far outstrips demand, So why not ask for the highest experience level. Just because you missed out, doesn’t mean that everyone should be called “Austranauts” :ugh: |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11288702)
It will probably come to pass the QGPA graduates may be starting at NJS after their initial training. If so then that’s no different to the way it’s been done here for decades. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11288702)
It will probably come to pass the QGPA graduates may be starting at NJS after their initial training. If so then that’s no different to the way it’s been done here for decades. |
Originally Posted by HalfGreen
(Post 11289085)
Negative on that dre, QGPA is just a stunt created by Qantas so they can be seen as contributing to the training of pilots rather than just poaching and sucking up trained pilots working at other operators. No fresh graduates from the academy are gifted any right hand seat positions.
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NJS Ops manuals require FOs to have 500 multi. When that changes the minimum requirements will change. Until then you caravan kings will have to try elsewhere and the Qantas cadets won’t get a chance with NJS.
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Originally Posted by HalfGreen
(Post 11289085)
Negative on that dre, QGPA is just a stunt created by Qantas so they can be seen as contributing to the training of pilots rather than just poaching and sucking up trained pilots working at other operators. No fresh graduates from the academy are gifted any right hand seat positions.
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
(Post 11289203)
NJS Ops manuals require FOs to have 500 multi.
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Originally Posted by Brakerider
(Post 11289130)
I think things have changed…
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As soon as QGPA used an existing training organisation (FTA) they added no extra pilots to the total amount being produced. You could always go and get a license from FTA before the academy came along...was probably a whole lot cheaper and more fairer too.
and yes, airlines will change their minimums the minute it suits them. |
Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO
(Post 11289310)
As soon as QGPA used an existing training organisation (FTA) they added no extra pilots to the total amount being produced. You could always go and get a license from FTA before the academy came along...was probably a whole lot cheaper and more fairer too.
and yes, airlines will change their minimums the minute it suits them. Aren't minimums usually implemented for insurance reasons? I'm not too well versed when it comes to operators deciding minumums. Would love some insight. |
Originally Posted by HalfGreen
(Post 11289321)
Aren't minimums usually implemented for insurance reasons? I'm not too well versed when it comes to operators deciding minumums. Would love some insight. |
Originally Posted by HalfGreen
(Post 11289300)
Nope. Absolutely nothing has been said about this at the QGPA. Source: know cadets
“Hi everyone Thank you to those who have provided an update on what has been happening post graduation. As you can imagine across the Group we are ramping up our operations to support customer demand. Resulting from this ramp up, we are reviewing and potentially expanding options for Alumni graduates which goes beyond QantasLink (Turboprops). Below is an expression of interest (EOI) form for all Alumni to register their interest in Airlines and Basing across the Qantas Group. You will be required to rank your preferred airline and base. This EOl is open from today and closes midnight Friday 2 September. Note this is non binding and ONLY open for Alumni graduates. Any questions please reach out. Cheers AY” Options include: Mainline SO JQ SO EFA FO QLink FO NJS FO Network FO Jetconnect FO |
Originally Posted by Sparrows.
(Post 11289814)
Source: known cadets who have left YBWW
“Hi everyone Thank you to those who have provided an update on what has been happening post graduation. As you can imagine across the Group we are ramping up our operations to support customer demand. Resulting from this ramp up, we are reviewing and potentially expanding options for Alumni graduates which goes beyond QantasLink (Turboprops). Below is an expression of interest (EOI) form for all Alumni to register their interest in Airlines and Basing across the Qantas Group. You will be required to rank your preferred airline and base. This EOl is open from today and closes midnight Friday 2 September. Note this is non binding and ONLY open for Alumni graduates. Any questions please reach out. Cheers AY” Options include: Mainline SO JQ SO EFA FO QLink FO NJS FO Network FO Jetconnect FO |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11289473)
Insurance can be variable. A solid training system with a good reputation may bring hour requirements down. At times Australian carriers have put 200hr TT pilots into the RHS of a 320 or Q400 (and I assume still remain insured), whilst simultaneously another company has required 500 hrs multi command/ 2000hrs TT to sit in the right seat of a Metro (most probably with a far less robust C&T system).
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Originally Posted by Sparrows.
(Post 11289814)
Options include:
Mainline SO JQ SO EFA FO QLink FO NJS FO Network FO Jetconnect FO They aren’t going to create a massive training academy system (eventually suggested they’ll graduate several hundred recruits per year over several locations) and then tell them to all go out into GA and try and find work in an environment where GA is declining, on the hope that in a couple of years they may get a call from QF. Word would spread and no one would apply. This system was designed to supply the majority of the group’s new hires for the future. People outside of the system will have to accept this, and that traditional pathways will be less common. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11289939)
Absolutely no surprise.
They aren’t going to create a massive training academy system (eventually suggested they’ll graduate several hundred recruits per year over several locations) and then tell them to all go out into GA and try and find work in an environment where GA is declining, on the hope that in a couple of years they may get a call from QF. Word would spread and no one would apply. |
It has virtually the same affect as having a stack of group pilots on active hold.
every qlink/jq/network pilot who is on active hold at QF Mainline is 1 less pilot going to Atlas/overseas. Golden handcuffs in full effect. |
Plenty of multi jobs on the AFAPs job page this week for those Caravan Kings to get your twin time up.
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But are they just creating a captain vacuum?? It's all very well to put low time pilots in the RHS but are they also going to waiver the command requirements too? If they are not all that will happen is low time pilots fill up the RHS with noone able to be promoted. The hard question for the insurers is then going to become are you willing to give someone with barely ATPL requirements, and maybe a few years experience a command on a large turboprop or 100 seat jet??
The whole system to date has been propped up by an excess of experienced pilots. As that diminishes because noone wants to pay market rates, the experience will leave and go overseas leaving a gaping hole in the swiss cheese in this country and a experience gap that this country has never ever seen before. |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 11295868)
But are they just creating a captain vacuum?? It's all very well to put low time pilots in the RHS but are they also going to waiver the command requirements too? If they are not all that will happen is low time pilots fill up the RHS with noone able to be promoted. The hard question for the insurers is then going to become are you willing to give someone with barely ATPL requirements, and maybe a few years experience a command on a large turboprop or 100 seat jet??
The whole system to date has been propped up by an excess of experienced pilots. As that diminishes because noone wants to pay market rates, the experience will leave and go overseas leaving a gaping hole in the swiss cheese in this country and a experience gap that this country has never ever seen before. |
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