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Chocks Away 2nd Mar 2023 02:46

Yes 717Tech, it's an agreement under the shelf company named "Bravo" but still below the award.

They've just purchased another 30 E190 (100ARs) from JetBlue drip-feeding through from September 2023 to 2026.

RealSatoshi 2nd Mar 2023 04:17


Originally Posted by Chocks Away (Post 11393778)
Yes 717Tech, it's an agreement under the shelf company named "Bravo" but still below the award.

That right there is the recipe that buys the cheese :\

By 2026, if not earlier, Network will be a single fleet (A320) operation with all F100 work moved across to the Alliance (QantasLink) E190's - let's see how this one matures...

tiger-palm 2nd Mar 2023 04:24


Originally Posted by RealSatoshi (Post 11393797)
That right there is the recipe that buys the cheese :\

By 2026, if not earlier, Network will be a single fleet (A320) operation with all F100 work moved across to the Alliance (QantasLink) E190's - let's see how this one matures...

Crystal ball gazing or insider knowledge

RealSatoshi 2nd Mar 2023 04:43


Originally Posted by tiger-palm (Post 11393798)
Crystal ball gazing or insider knowledge

Nah, just a rumour network prediction from my Crystal Ball.

Btw, my Crystal Ball is now for sale, only $50...but I can see you will haggle me down to $35 :ok:

HappyBandit 2nd Mar 2023 05:46


Originally Posted by RealSatoshi (Post 11393797)
That right there is the recipe that buys the cheese :\

By 2026, if not earlier, Network will be a single fleet (A320) operation with all F100 work moved across to the Alliance (QantasLink) E190's - let's see how this one matures...

This rumour has been floating around for years. Heck I think I may have hypothesised this to crews myself. I still think there is a chance it could happen though.

It'll be interesting to see what the ruling from ACCC is. Very odd that they've delayed the ruling too. Who says yay and who says nay?

Going Nowhere 2nd Mar 2023 06:48


Originally Posted by RealSatoshi (Post 11393797)
That right there is the recipe that buys the cheese :\

By 2026, if not earlier, Network will be a single fleet (A320) operation with all F100 work moved across to the Alliance (QantasLink) E190's - let's see how this one matures...

Could also be the reason to start bringing in the A319’s. Not sure if they perform better than the A320’s but it could all be part of the “right plane, right root” crap they keep peddling out.

PoppaJo 2nd Mar 2023 09:41

You will find the specific mining work/contracts will need to be Network operated, not operated by Alliance for network. I understand some contracts do specify that QF and VA mainline are able to conduct some of the mining work alongside its subsidiary, if required, generally in the form of a 737NG.

The ACCC clearly delayed the decision as Rex put in a late submission, endorsing the deal, while everyone else had lengthy submissions against it. No doubt that intrigued the commission. Rex will be doing what works for itself, so clearly that supportive submission works for itself, who cares about Qantas. I expect nothing less from them.

Chocks Away 3rd Mar 2023 01:43

RealSatoshi - $50... ? Surely you must be joking. I drive a hard bargain and can only offer you $80! :8

Townsville Refueler tells me a lazy 10 of the Sampa-Vans are to be parked in Perth by years end... :ok:

Happy Landings.

Icarus2001 3rd Mar 2023 05:26

For those of us not hip and down with lingo, what is a Sampa Van?

HappyBandit 3rd Mar 2023 05:34


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11394420)
For those of us not hip and down with lingo, what is a Sampa Van?

Isn't Sampa a Zambian rapper?

Chocks Away 3rd Mar 2023 09:37

Sampa is a nickname for São Paulo, which is the head office of Embraer.

volare_737 7th Mar 2023 06:06

Would anybody know if there is some Alliance 190's based in Perth ??? Or is it only Fokkers ???


itchy_feet 7th Mar 2023 06:12


Originally Posted by volare_737 (Post 11396878)
Would anybody know if there is some Alliance 190's based in Perth ??? Or is it only Fokkers ???

There aren’t any based in Perth, and from what I’ve heard won’t be for a while. Believe some F100’s have been moved from East Coast to Perth.

That could change with the recent increase in E190’s for the QF flying.

volare_737 7th Mar 2023 09:32


Originally Posted by itchy_feet (Post 11396880)
There aren’t any based in Perth, and from what I’ve heard won’t be for a while. Believe some F100’s have been moved from East Coast to Perth.

That could change with the recent increase in E190’s for the QF flying.


Thanks !!!

HappyBandit 15th Mar 2023 22:58

Anyone heard any rumblings on the upcoming ACCC announcement? How would it work if the ACCC allow the acquisition in terms of the recent wet lease arrangement for E190s? Would this arrangement simply be filed in the waste paper basket or would it take x months before the real acquisition goes through?

ebt 16th Mar 2023 02:22

LIkely it will take a while to get all the T's and C's ticked off, especially if the ACCC puts conditions on the acquisitions. If they block, Qantas will likely to go to the National Competition Tribunal to overrule the ACCC. I expect that the mining companies will do their best to either extract significant concessions from Qantas or possibly block it, unless they can find another way to get some competitive tension. Rio Tinto particularly is at risk of ending up with Qantas holding most of its charter/RPT contracts, and they will want to ensure there is some competition in the market.

1A_Please 16th Mar 2023 02:58

With the Alliance share price still at under $3.45 compared with the QF offer of $4.75, it seems the unemotional aribritagers in the stock market are still thinking the takeover won't be approved. If there was a belief that it was likely to succeed, the share price would be tracking very closely to the offer price.

PoppaJo 16th Mar 2023 03:56

Qantas Group needs to refocus and stick to its core. Mainline, Jetstar, and regional. Freight to the side. Alliance will be a huge distraction for the group.

I don’t believe all those above are currently running smoothly, with a new fleet type due soon (A220, 330F), a low cost arm that is currently in my view, operationally underperforming with very questionable recent managerial appointments, 717s that are proving troublesome. The list goes on. Alan will want to play with Alliance before he goes, if successful, meanwhile other parts of the business are falling apart. Jetstar will continue to slide should this get approved. The focus is in the wrong areas.

Alan again trying to takeover the world. A reporter recently raised concerns in a presser with him re Jetstar performing poorly. Completely wasn’t interested and advised a new great team underway. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

Jack D. Ripper 16th Mar 2023 15:34


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11402953)
Qantas Group needs to refocus and stick to its core. Mainline, Jetstar, and regional. Freight to the side. Alliance will be a huge distraction for the group.

Alan again trying to takeover the world. A reporter recently raised concerns in a presser with him re Jetstar performing poorly. Completely wasn’t interested and advised a new great team underway. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

The JQ folks need to realise they are yesterdays shiny toy. Alliance are the new vehicle.

chimbu warrior 18th Mar 2023 02:36

An interesting take on scope clauses.



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