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BO0M 29th Mar 2023 23:44

Some facts are important.

Min hours are 70 per month (CA = $14350 Gross minus 4% for super as well) (FO $7350 and same same)
Yearly (840 hours) CA = $172K and FO = $88K

Yes I realise thats USD and having spent significant time in the US your buying power is greater than the same $$ in Oztralia. On pure numbers Captain $$ similar to Alliance Ejet drivers and FO Breeze will never reach the same dollar figure as Alliance Ejet.

Theres still better options than Breeze in the US if you are that way inclined. If it the right fit to pack up and head to the US, nows your time while the place is going bonkers but choose wisely if you are never going to get a green card

gordonfvckingramsay 30th Mar 2023 02:42

It surprises me that this post went so quietly, the last line is pretty damning isn’t it? How could the ACCC honestly expect to approve this and say it was legitimate? Honest question.

walesregent 30th Mar 2023 05:12


Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 11411370)
It surprises me that this post went so quietly, the last line is pretty damning isn’t it? How could the ACCC honestly expect to approve this and say it was legitimate? Honest question.

I’m guessing it’s legal and the general public (bafflingly) seems to refuse to get outraged at such obvious corruption. In fact even if they do, Qantas seems to have worked out how much outrage they can tolerate before it starts affecting sales (spoiler alert- it’s a lot). The ACCC will justify it by pointing to their gift declaration policy. I’m in no way saying it’s right but just speculating why it didn’t get much of a reaction.

FWIW I used to work in public healthcare and we weren’t allowed to accept so much as a branded pen or notepad from a medical company rep (free lunches were banned many years ago). That such a policy doesn’t apply to the ACCC is, quite simply, moronic.

gordonfvckingramsay 30th Mar 2023 06:47


Originally Posted by walesregent (Post 11411420)
I’m guessing it’s legal and the general public (bafflingly) seems to refuse to get outraged at such obvious corruption. In fact even if they do, Qantas seems to have worked out how much outrage they can tolerate before it starts affecting sales (spoiler alert- it’s a lot). The ACCC will justify it by pointing to their gift declaration policy. I’m in no way saying it’s right but just speculating why it didn’t get much of a reaction.

FWIW I used to work in public healthcare and we weren’t allowed to accept so much as a branded pen or notepad from a medical company rep (free lunches were banned many years ago). That such a policy doesn’t apply to the ACCC is, quite simply, moronic.

I hear ya’. Baffling is the word!

ExtraShot 31st Mar 2023 00:48

Good old Australian ‘Soft Corruption’ at its finest. The Chairman’s lounge exists for exact this purpose. Access to the levers of power that the the little guys will never have.

neville_nobody 31st Mar 2023 01:23


Good old Australian ‘Soft Corruption’ at its finest. The Chairman’s lounge exists for exact this purpose. Access to the levers of power that the the little guys will never have.
Exactly. I am surprised this has never been challenged in a court case. This here is a classic example. How can the commission make a ruling on an organisation that provides such exclusive hospitality for free and say they are not "influenced"?

aussieflyboy 31st Mar 2023 01:34

This sort of thing would be entertainment gold for talkback radio ‘drive’ programs 3AW, 6PR, 4BC ect however amusingly the hosts are also chairman’s lounge members.

ExtraShot 31st Mar 2023 02:03

…it’s only a rort if you’re not in on it.

MickG0105 20th Apr 2023 00:43


ACCC opposes sale of Alliance to Qantas in $614m deal
By ROBYN IRONSIDE
AVIATION WRITER

Qantas is seeking an urgent meeting with the competition watchdog which has announced it will oppose the $614m sale of Alliance Aviation to the larger airline. The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission’s decision was delivered on Thursday after five postponements over almost a year.

ACCC chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb said the commission had concluded the transaction was likely to substantially lessen competition in the fly-in, fly-out markets of Queensland and Western Australia.

“We consider Alliance to be an important competitor to Qantas, and the removal of Alliance is likely to substantially lessen competition threatening increased prices and reduced service quality for customers,” said Ms Cass-Gottlieb.

“Qantas and Alliance currently strongly compete with each other in markets where there are few effective alternatives. The proposed acquisition would combine two of the largest suppliers of charter services in Western Australia and Queensland.”

The ACCC had received considerable feedback that Alliance was strongly valued by resource industry customers as a vigorous and effective competitor.

“Flying workers in the resource industry to and from their worksites is an essential service for this important part of the Australian economy, so it is critical that competition in this market is protected,” Ms Cass-Gottlieb said.

“For many customers, Alliance is the preferred supplier due to its large fleet capacity, customer-centric approach and high-quality service offerings, including having the highest on- time-performance in the industry and demonstrated f lexibility and willingness to meet customer needs.”

She said many Australians may not have heard of the Brisbane-based Alliance, but it was “one of the country’s most significant airlines, with 70 aircraft and more on order”.

“Combining such an important player with Australia’s largest airline, Qantas, would be likely to substantially lessen competition and that is something we oppose,” Ms Cass-Gottlieb said.

“Qantas will face limited competition if allowed to acquire Alliance because most other airlines lack the right aircraft, fleet size, or capabilities needed to compete effectively.”

A Qantas spokeswoman said the airline was seeking an urgent meeting with the ACCC chair, to try to better understand the decision. A statement issued by the airline said the proposed acquisition of Alliance would enable Qantas to service the important resources sector better, particularly through the efficiencies unlocked through a combined fleet of similar aircraft.

“Qantas first flagged its long-term interest in ultimately acquiring 100 per cent of Alliance when it bought just under 20 per cent of the charter operator in February 2019,” said the statement.

“The ACCC investigated that minority holding for three years and made no findings that it lessened competition.” Qantas also made the point it was Alliance’s biggest customer, wet leasing 18 Embraer aircraft that were operated on the national carrier’s behalf on a number of routes.

Under the deal proposed by Qantas and backed by the Alliance board, shareholders in Alliance would receive Qantas shares to the value of $4.75 for each Alliance share.

On Thursday, Qantas shares were set to open at $6.55 and Alliance at $3.51.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...al/news-story/


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TimmyTee 20th Apr 2023 02:23

How long until Qantas’ role in the “independent” decision by Alliance in buying the ejets (without any apparent purpose at the time) comes to light?
It was miraculous timing at the time!

longlegs 20th Apr 2023 21:42


Originally Posted by TimmyTee (Post 11422704)
How long until Qantas’ role in the “independent” decision by Alliance in buying the ejets (without any apparent purpose at the time) comes to light?
It was miraculous timing at the time!

There is a book about Alliance that is a great read and shows you they have balls of steel. From the beginning spending big on aircraft when the economy is at a low ebb. Ejets probably no different.

brokenagain 18th Oct 2023 23:32

So this is officially off the cards now. Can’t help but feel like it’s a win for the staff at Alliance and the industry as a whole.

dejapoo 19th Oct 2023 00:15

Yup, AA breathe a sigh of relief. Ask the 717…. everything they touch turns to….. mould.

1A_Please 19th Oct 2023 00:36

I sort of get the impression that VH may be cleaning house so to speak. She seems to be getting rid of the various distractions that AJ had left behind that really weren't going anywhere such as Alliance, and Perth Airport dispute. These things were low-hanging fruit in that the costs of closing them out was low. It gets harder from here as she deals with an angry customers, aging fleet and a dispirited workforce.

PoppaJo 19th Oct 2023 01:29


Originally Posted by 1A_Please (Post 11523579)
I sort of get the impression that VH may be cleaning house so to speak. She seems to be getting rid of the various distractions that AJ had left behind that really weren't going anywhere such as Alliance, and Perth Airport dispute. These things were low-hanging fruit in that the costs of closing them out was low. It gets harder from here as she deals with an angry customers, aging fleet and a dispirited workforce.

She doesn’t have a choice, and has a year to get the cards in order before a new Chair arrives. Needs to show that person that everything is under control, the stats are certainly not in her favour for any new board/chair renewal to hold the same CEO.

Any new chair who arrives late next year, to a still cluster&@!$ of a company will clear the deck for her, including herself, out the door.


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