Home Quarantine for Aircrew
I see from the news that Qantas International Crew are about to or already trialing a facial geotagging App that will allow crew to home quarantine for a reduced 7 days instead of the current 14.. Could anyone allude to how the home isolate works with respective family members.
Also are the 7days home isolation requirement taken as part of your eba days off a month or in addition to your days off in a roster period? |
It’s outlined here for NSW crew.
If you are sharing your home with others, you must:
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I loved the Q captain on tele the other night complaining about 60 odd days in quarantine. Mate at least you're working.
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60 days? Is that all? :ouch:
Plenty doing more than that. And not at home either. 😪 |
Few, if any, in aviation have completely escaped the scourge of COVID. Everyone has a tail of woe to tell. Unemployed or employed, it has been tough.
For those who found themselves unemployed, the loss of income and financial security brings with it significant levels of stress and hardship, particularly with a family to support. Also,the personal pride in doing a job that most of us hold as a passion is also a bitter pill to swallow and with much of our identity tied in with our work, losing that connection with flying is a huge loss for many of us. Like-wise with being 'lucky' to remain employed, that has not been an easy undertaking either. Whilst I have spent nearly 18 months on a roughly equal time pattern in and out of strict quarantine, I am not about to say that my 230-240 days of being quarantined is harder than what the 60 day Qantas guy endured. It is all relative and it is all hard. I am personally fortunate that I have kept my offshore gig however it has come at a hefty price working 4/4 and 6/6 tours locked down in strict quarantine, separated from a young family with no end in sight, dealing with local border authorities acting like pigs etc etc. More recently, my time off was spent in lock down with home schooling and family illness. Not a lot of fun in anyone's book! Home quarantine might not work for me or others, but if it is an option for some I would support it. |
Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11113039)
I loved the Q captain on tele the other night complaining about 60 odd days in quarantine. Mate at least you're working.
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What is completely ridiculous in the whole quarantine ambiguity is that a returning crew member is more likely to be infected in hotel quarantine than at home or in the community. The likelihood of them infecting anyone else at the end of a trip is less than them infecting someone if they'd stayed home and passed on a community cluster.
Maybe that's it. The various benevolent state governments are doing the crew a service by removing them from the opportunity to become infected in their home community after they've followed strict isolation protocols whilst at work. It's not about the crew being a danger too the community at all, but in fact the other way around. :rolleyes: |
So the Vaccine is not the answer then , the whole Quarantine should only be for the unvaccinated .
There is no doubt the cabin crew will catch COVID on international flights and more than likely pass it onto pilots during flight . if your vaccine protected then what’s the big deal , many in the community will be wandering around knowingly or unknowingly with the virus anyway. This is called living with the virus as the government is organising. |
Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin
(Post 11113281)
So the Vaccine is not the answer then , the whole Quarantine should only be for the unvaccinated .
There is no doubt the cabin crew will catch COVID on international flights and more than likely pass it onto pilots during flight . if your vaccine protected then what’s the big deal , many in the community will be wandering around knowingly or unknowingly with the virus anyway. This is called living with the virus as the government is organising. |
Because until the number of vaccinated people in the community reaches acceptable levels, the risk of spreading the virus to the unvaccinated remains high. We need to stop being scared of all these ridiculous scenarios that may or may not eventuate and just get on with life. Even if we spent more on some covid hospitals response it will still be better than burning the entire country to the ground economically. If this is still going like it is in 12 months noone is going to care about covid as the economic reality is going to hit and hit hard. Airlines will go bankrupt. People forced to sell houses lose careers and savings. You cannot shut down economies for 3 years it just doesn't work. The country has had 2+ years to prepare. That is enough. |
Oh I completely agree with you, I’m not saying it’s a good plan, but it’s the one we’re stuck with.
Apparently 80% of the eligible population over 12 is the magic number. For most states anyway, this week, without a looming election….. |
I felt this topic needed a bump, particularly for those subject to quaratine/iso in Victoria.
With good reason, NSW crew are celebrating the end of crew quarantine, however the situation in Victoria seems to be going from harsh to outright absurd. Should there be no amendments to the easing of various restrictions announced this week, come November, an international returned traveler can arrive in Sydney, transit to Melbourne and walk around with complete freedom. Meanwhile, a returned IFAM crew member who land in Melbourne will still be subject to 14 days quarantine/iso. The state has also announced a reduction in isolation for confirmed PCC down to seven days from next Friday. So now even confirmed close contacts of covid will spend less time locked up than returning freighter crews. We are the only group of workers to not yet have a positive case (since April 2020) but no easing of restrictions has occurred in nearly 12 months. Out of interest, the rolling monthly total (since 18th Sept inclusive) for cases in Victoria separated by place of origin, as of this morning was: Overseas: 1 Community: 42,275 With a weekly cap of 500 arrivals and an estimate population in Melbourne of 5.1m, that's still shows an over 17 times greater chance of finding covid in the community than in a returned traveler. The department is currently so busy dealing with the community outbreak that crew aren't getting any verbal or physical checkups anymore, merely a generic daily SMS. Seems the wardens have abandoned the prison but taken the keys with them. Hopefully there will be some changes announced shortly but I'm not holding my breath. |
I'm curious about vaccinated international flight crew arriving into Sydney after November 1st. Seems absolutely insane to keep them in quarantine after that date. Any news on this?
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Koizi, was talking to a colleague about just your situation earlier today. Whilst we were talking about QLD but your Victorian example is virtually identical.
Victoria has shown over the last couple of months that they’re essentially a month behind NSW in terms of the way they deal with things. So perhaps in the next month or so you might see some changes. Anyway I know QF is aware of it and working on a solution as are others. Half moon, it seems that from 1 November vaccinated foreign air crew will be free to move around NSW on arrival. No more iso for them. I’ve not seen it said explicitly but given they’re happy to take international tourists from that date (not withstanding the feds saying locals first) I can’t see why they’d lock up the crew. |
Should there be no amendments to the easing of various restrictions announced this week, come November, an international returned traveler can arrive in Sydney, transit to Melbourne and walk around with complete freedom. But as Keg points out, VIC seems to be following the “open up” strategy, but they are a few weeks behind NSW in vaccinations. I would expect VIC to go iso-free inbound before too long. At the rate things are going, it is only taking about 2 weeks to get from 70% to 80%. (And then only another couple of weeks to 90% - I must say that I’m impressed by that. It’s quite possible that both Sydney and Melbourne will be close to 95% vaxxed by Christmas, with maybe some regional parts of each state a bit lower. Aussie Aussie!). |
Originally Posted by Derfred
(Post 11128932)
Nope. You still need a permit to transit to Melbourne, and I doubt you’ll get one as a recently arrived returnee from OS.
This means that from 11.59pm on Tuesday night, fully vaccinated people – including people recently returned from overseas – can travel with a permit from all parts of NSW into Victoria without having to isolate on arrival or get tested for COVID-19.” |
Originally Posted by Koizi
(Post 11128654)
We are the only group of workers to not yet have a positive case (since April 2020) but no easing of restrictions has occurred in nearly 12 months. |
Originally Posted by markis10
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There’s been a few, most recently a Heavilift pilot and a Qantas pilot in the past few weeks, both in Queensland.
To the best of my knowledge there was a mainline pilot in QLD who returned what was later revealed to be a false positive. |
And let's not forget the FedEx bloke who caused this latest kerfuffle... Don't exclude 'im just because of who he worked for, it could have happened to acrewmember from any operator.
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Originally Posted by markis10
(Post 11129180)
There’s been a few, most recently a Heavilift pilot and a Qantas pilot in the past few weeks, both in Queensland.
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Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 11129188)
And let's not forget the FedEx bloke who caused this latest kerfuffle... Don't exclude 'im just because of who he worked for, it could have happened to acrewmember from any operator.
Living in a COVID free state, being locked up whilst you are away and being vaccinated are the defence, they should not be locked up at home on return. It is obviously a different scenario for a foreign pilot who may not tick those 3 boxes. |
It should be one or the other by now. Either keep me locked up in the hotel when overseas and remove the quarantine requirement when I get home, or let me out of my hotel room.
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Originally Posted by Fonz121
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It should be one or the other by now. Either keep me locked up in the hotel when overseas and remove the quarantine requirement when I get home, or let me out of my hotel room.
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Originally Posted by Koizi
(Post 11129133)
“Victoria’s Chief Health Officer, Brett Sutton, said on Tuesday that NSW would no longer be classified as a “red zone”.
This means that from 11.59pm on Tuesday night, fully vaccinated people – including people recently returned from overseas – can travel with a permit from all parts of NSW into Victoria without having to isolate on arrival or get tested for COVID-19.” |
Perhaps it was a misprint that has subsequently been rectified since you posted. Perhaps it has yet to be updated. But the way I see it, given the complete removal of any inbound requirements, flights are unlikely to be met by anyone. Given the permit doesn't ask, who else is stopping this from occurring? On a separate note, I've heard that by the end of the week Fri/Sat the Vic government is likely to make an announcement regarding our situation. Fingers crossed. |
Quarantine to go Nov 1 for Vic as well.
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Hallelujah.
They were brutal. |
This is great news - we can only screw it up from here - some bright spark (in Vic government department) with no doubt say that aircrew still need to quarantine.
I've lost faith in that mob, so I'll expect the worst and hope to be pleasantly surprised... |
What a pain all Australian layovers.. It just overreacting to the point that the whole situation is beyond ridiculous. Twice vaccinated crew are treated like contagious lab mice! test before departure, test on arrival, then they ask you, log in here and there to check result...I say, let me tell you a secret.. I know is going to be negative , like the 100 tests before this one.
Talking to the ground staff in the airport, some are still human rather than robocops and we talk about the schizophrenic and totalitarian laws the Australian government implemented. How in Earth an australian citizen faces restrictions and all this crap when trying to come back to his/her own country! And no citizens are complaining properly about it, despite the media trying to manipulate the news saying there is "demonstrations". |
Excuse me, let me get this right, they keep you locked up in the room when overseas, AND when you come back you face quarantine??
All Ausie and NZ airlines do the same? I know that Singapore they have security guards in NY for them not to venture outside the hotel. Insane. While other airline crew are enjoying the city. |
What relation do you see in complaining about something ridiculous and nonsense like way too long quarantine and having a job? He might be complaining to useless politicians not to the Universe.
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Excuse me, let me get this right, they keep you locked up in the room when overseas, AND when you come back you face quarantine?? All Ausie and NZ airlines do the same? Prior to November 1st, vaccinated crews (incl. freighter crews) who were locked in rooms at overseas quarantine hotels, were required to undergo 14 days quarantine/home iso. This was mandated by federal/state requirements and did not vary by airline. I believe Air NZ did get exemption from 14 days to a reduced 3 with a negative test. Not sure where they stand now. Someone from Godzone probably knows more. |
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Lol so basically your locked out from going to a pub or restaurant, match, concert, etc pretty much all the time except if your on leave……
Yet my sister is a doctor in a Covid ward and has no restrictions in the outside world (apart from being tested every 3-4 days) When will this beauracratic madness end? |
I love how the employer is responsible for compliance.
What are they suggesting? GPS tracking ankle bracelets??? Maybe I shouldn't laugh. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it! :ugh: |
Last gasp power grab by the faceless bureaucrats of NSW health. It can’t last beyond tourists arriving into Australia. As if they’re not going to be eating out at ‘hospitality venues’ every meal? I give this one a maximum of a month before it goes the same way of 7 day home iso.
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Given that the document applies to all arrivals (not included in my screenshot) it’s also tell anyone in the education, hospitality or health industries that you can’t go back to work on return for a week.
That’s an unexpected sting in the tail. Also odd that retail isn’t listed. So you can go to your local mega shopping centre, plough through Myer, Kmart etc but don’t you dare grab a snack at the food court. Hopefully this is one bright Sydney idea that doesn’t make its way south of the border. |
Just been revoked and amended, proof that idiotic health officials behind the scenes are making crap rules. Lasted 2 days, Jesus you couldn’t make this up! This is a last gasp by idiots that have been employed during the pandemic to try and save their jobs….All that dead wood needs to be lanced from this boil, and learnt to make a real living.
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“The Health Advice” has been the mantra we have been held to for the last 20 months. Apparently this “Health Advice” took a U turn in 2 days. This is a joke we need to rise up and get rid of these idiots, common sense tends to trump health officials. Just get vaccinated, be common sense and let us live, I’m sick of this crap “Health Advice” it’s over…
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
(Post 11135960)
Just been revoked and amended, proof that idiotic health officials behind the scenes are making crap rules. Lasted 2 days, Jesus you couldn’t make this up! This is a last gasp by idiots that have been employed during the pandemic to try and save their jobs….All that dead wood needs to be lanced from this boil, and learnt to make a real living.
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