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Old 18th Sep 2021, 02:45
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Home Quarantine for Aircrew

I see from the news that Qantas International Crew are about to or already trialing a facial geotagging App that will allow crew to home quarantine for a reduced 7 days instead of the current 14.. Could anyone allude to how the home isolate works with respective family members.
Also are the 7days home isolation requirement taken as part of your eba days off a month or in addition to your days off in a roster period?
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 11:33
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It’s outlined here for NSW crew.
If you are sharing your home with others, you must:
  • remain separated from others and sleep in a separate bedroom
  • wear a surgical mask if it is necessary to be in the same room as another person (even if they are also in isolation)
  • use a separate bathroom, if available. If not available, ensure the bathroom is thoroughly cleaned with a household disinfectant between uses.
  • avoid shared or communal areas and wear a surgical mask if it is necessary to move through these areas
  • not be in a room with people who are at risk of severe disease, such as elderly people, immunocompromised people, and those who have heart, lung or kidney conditions, or diabetes.
You cannot self-isolate at home if a member of your household is a 'designated worker.' This means someone who is a registered health practitioner, works in a public or private hospital or residential care facility, or is an NDIS worker. If a member of your household is a designated worker, you will need to quarantine in a government quarantine facility.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 11:48
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I loved the Q captain on tele the other night complaining about 60 odd days in quarantine. Mate at least you're working.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 11:56
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60 days? Is that all?

Plenty doing more than that. And not at home either. 😪
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 14:28
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Few, if any, in aviation have completely escaped the scourge of COVID. Everyone has a tail of woe to tell. Unemployed or employed, it has been tough.

For those who found themselves unemployed, the loss of income and financial security brings with it significant levels of stress and hardship, particularly with a family to support. Also,the personal pride in doing a job that most of us hold as a passion is also a bitter pill to swallow and with much of our identity tied in with our work, losing that connection with flying is a huge loss for many of us.

Like-wise with being 'lucky' to remain employed, that has not been an easy undertaking either. Whilst I have spent nearly 18 months on a roughly equal time pattern in and out of strict quarantine, I am not about to say that my 230-240 days of being quarantined is harder than what the 60 day Qantas guy endured. It is all relative and it is all hard. I am personally fortunate that I have kept my offshore gig however it has come at a hefty price working 4/4 and 6/6 tours locked down in strict quarantine, separated from a young family with no end in sight, dealing with local border authorities acting like pigs etc etc. More recently, my time off was spent in lock down with home schooling and family illness. Not a lot of fun in anyone's book!

Home quarantine might not work for me or others, but if it is an option for some I would support it.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 22:59
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
I loved the Q captain on tele the other night complaining about 60 odd days in quarantine. Mate at least you're working.
Just come out of another quarantine. Not a lot of fun. Can’t exercise, see friends, walk the dog or go to the shops. I can’t quarantine at home most of the time so that adds another complication. Losing your job sucks (I lost mine in Ansett) but making light of home iso/quarantine is ridiculous.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 01:39
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What is completely ridiculous in the whole quarantine ambiguity is that a returning crew member is more likely to be infected in hotel quarantine than at home or in the community. The likelihood of them infecting anyone else at the end of a trip is less than them infecting someone if they'd stayed home and passed on a community cluster.

Maybe that's it. The various benevolent state governments are doing the crew a service by removing them from the opportunity to become infected in their home community after they've followed strict isolation protocols whilst at work. It's not about the crew being a danger too the community at all, but in fact the other way around.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 02:13
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So the Vaccine is not the answer then , the whole Quarantine should only be for the unvaccinated .
There is no doubt the cabin crew will catch COVID on international flights and more than likely pass it onto pilots during flight .
if your vaccine protected then what’s the big deal , many in the community will be wandering around knowingly or unknowingly with the virus anyway. This is called living with the virus as the government is organising.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 20:44
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin View Post
So the Vaccine is not the answer then , the whole Quarantine should only be for the unvaccinated .
There is no doubt the cabin crew will catch COVID on international flights and more than likely pass it onto pilots during flight .
if your vaccine protected then what’s the big deal , many in the community will be wandering around knowingly or unknowingly with the virus anyway. This is called living with the virus as the government is organising.
Because until the number of vaccinated people in the community reaches acceptable levels, the risk of spreading the virus to the unvaccinated remains high.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 01:35
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Because until the number of vaccinated people in the community reaches acceptable levels, the risk of spreading the virus to the unvaccinated remains high.
But what's an a acceptable number? As the age brackets decrease the number of people we need to vaccinate increases. So we're going to bankrupt the country while we wait for everyone to be vaccinated from a virus that probably isn't going to kill anyone under 20? Honestly enough is enough. If you are that scared of this you take personal responsibility and stay home. Meanwhile I would like to get back to work and alot of businesses and the majority of the population would like to get on with life.

We need to stop being scared of all these ridiculous scenarios that may or may not eventuate and just get on with life. Even if we spent more on some covid hospitals response it will still be better than burning the entire country to the ground economically. If this is still going like it is in 12 months noone is going to care about covid as the economic reality is going to hit and hit hard. Airlines will go bankrupt. People forced to sell houses lose careers and savings. You cannot shut down economies for 3 years it just doesn't work. The country has had 2+ years to prepare. That is enough.

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Old 20th Sep 2021, 11:39
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Oh I completely agree with you, I’m not saying it’s a good plan, but it’s the one we’re stuck with.

Apparently 80% of the eligible population over 12 is the magic number. For most states anyway, this week, without a looming election…..
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Old 18th Oct 2021, 22:13
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I felt this topic needed a bump, particularly for those subject to quaratine/iso in Victoria.

With good reason, NSW crew are celebrating the end of crew quarantine, however the situation in Victoria seems to be going from harsh to outright absurd.

Should there be no amendments to the easing of various restrictions announced this week, come November, an international returned traveler can arrive in Sydney, transit to Melbourne and walk around with complete freedom.
Meanwhile, a returned IFAM crew member who land in Melbourne will still be subject to 14 days quarantine/iso.

The state has also announced a reduction in isolation for confirmed PCC down to seven days from next Friday.
So now even confirmed close contacts of covid will spend less time locked up than returning freighter crews.

We are the only group of workers to not yet have a positive case (since April 2020) but no easing of restrictions has occurred in nearly 12 months.

Out of interest, the rolling monthly total (since 18th Sept inclusive) for cases in Victoria separated by place of origin, as of this morning was:

Overseas: 1
Community: 42,275

With a weekly cap of 500 arrivals and an estimate population in Melbourne of 5.1m, that's still shows an over 17 times greater chance of finding covid in the community than in a returned traveler.

The department is currently so busy dealing with the community outbreak that crew aren't getting any verbal or physical checkups anymore, merely a generic daily SMS.
Seems the wardens have abandoned the prison but taken the keys with them.
Hopefully there will be some changes announced shortly but I'm not holding my breath.
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 04:08
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I'm curious about vaccinated international flight crew arriving into Sydney after November 1st. Seems absolutely insane to keep them in quarantine after that date. Any news on this?
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 06:13
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Koizi, was talking to a colleague about just your situation earlier today. Whilst we were talking about QLD but your Victorian example is virtually identical.

Victoria has shown over the last couple of months that they’re essentially a month behind NSW in terms of the way they deal with things. So perhaps in the next month or so you might see some changes. Anyway I know QF is aware of it and working on a solution as are others. Half moon, it seems that from 1 November vaccinated foreign air crew will be free to move around NSW on arrival. No more iso for them. I’ve not seen it said explicitly but given they’re happy to take international tourists from that date (not withstanding the feds saying locals first) I can’t see why they’d lock up the crew.
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 12:01
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Should there be no amendments to the easing of various restrictions announced this week, come November, an international returned traveler can arrive in Sydney, transit to Melbourne and walk around with complete freedom.
Nope. You still need a permit to transit to Melbourne, and I doubt you’ll get one as a recently arrived returnee from OS.

But as Keg points out, VIC seems to be following the “open up” strategy, but they are a few weeks behind NSW in vaccinations. I would expect VIC to go iso-free inbound before too long. At the rate things are going, it is only taking about 2 weeks to get from 70% to 80%. (And then only another couple of weeks to 90% - I must say that I’m impressed by that. It’s quite possible that both Sydney and Melbourne will be close to 95% vaxxed by Christmas, with maybe some regional parts of each state a bit lower. Aussie Aussie!).

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Old 19th Oct 2021, 19:24
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Nope. You still need a permit to transit to Melbourne, and I doubt you’ll get one as a recently arrived returnee from OS.
“Victoria’s Chief Health Officer, Brett Sutton, said on Tuesday that NSW would no longer be classified as a “red zone”.

This means that from 11.59pm on Tuesday night, fully vaccinated people – including people recently returned from overseas – can travel with a permit from all parts of NSW into Victoria without having to isolate on arrival or get tested for COVID-19.”
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 21:05
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Originally Posted by Koizi View Post

We are the only group of workers to not yet have a positive case (since April 2020) but no easing of restrictions has occurred in nearly 12 months.
There’s been a few, most recently a Heavilift pilot and a Qantas pilot in the past few weeks, both in Queensland.
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 21:16
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Originally Posted by markis10 View Post
There’s been a few, most recently a Heavilift pilot and a Qantas pilot in the past few weeks, both in Queensland.
To clarify, I’m referring to mainline pilots.
To the best of my knowledge there was a mainline pilot in QLD who returned what was later revealed to be a false positive.
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 21:17
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And let's not forget the FedEx bloke who caused this latest kerfuffle... Don't exclude 'im just because of who he worked for, it could have happened to acrewmember from any operator.
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 21:35
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Originally Posted by markis10 View Post
There’s been a few, most recently a Heavilift pilot and a Qantas pilot in the past few weeks, both in Queensland.
After the Queensland CHO all but publicly named and shamed that Qantas pilot, it turned they were NOT infected. It was a false positive.
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