Last week, last night point being Astra Zeneca vaccine is all but done in Australia no one will want it, remember over 50 was safe.

Next player please JJ, Moderna we need something.

In other breaking news, man who died in car crash last night received AZ vaccine last month. Investigations continuing to see if they are linked. :rolleyes:

What we need is to make maths compulsory in year 12, particularly statistics.

What we need is a government with the balls to say “by this date, everyone will have had the opportunity to get vaccinated. Two months after this date we will start a plan to manage travel into and out of Australia. Get vaccinated.”

Right on 👍

Sadly yes. I suspect it will be April/ May next year before we have more or less restriction free travel.

I was surprised at how quickly New Zealand got up and going. I thought for sure that was going to fizzle out into the never never. Perhaps the NZ economy needed the Aussies travelling across? Certainly loads in the early weeks have been a lot heavier eastbound than westbound. Probably right given half of NZ lives in Australia anyway.


Me too. I do see a small chance of UK and USA travel as early as Christmas this year but it will take a certain confluence of events that aren’t very likely. A bit like a precision timing schedule where it takes a lot of little separate things all working perfectly for it to come off.

The NZ bubble was one way for a long time. The bubble can close in a heart beat and the only reason there is one with NZ is because both countries have pretty much stopped community transmission.
Singapore and hkg both have community transmission and Japan is 5000+ cases a day.
No bubble with these countries anything soon. You can dream though.

Nearly 1/4 of the Singaporean citizenry has had 1 dose. 15% have had both doses. At current rates they’re finished around September. A fully vaccinated nation changes the dynamic significantly.

It seems that the Tasman Bubble is not the great white saviour that those promoting it thought it would be

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/...bubble-tourism

My tip post covid....

there is no ‘post covid’..... expansion of HWS and a new facility being built in Victoria show quarantine is here to stay for a long time. Australia will lag behind other developed nations and keep borders tightly controlled. State premiers have had a taste of power and they don’t want to give it up. 2 of the worst offenders have just been re-elected by the brainwashed sheep.

787’s and half the 330’s to go along with a domestic network. That’s it. Stand downs on those fleets to continue for a long time, as there is no ‘free travel’. As long as there are bubbles only, and closed international borders, QF will get away with the ‘no useful work’ line.

once Australia catches up (maybe 5 years) then 350’s etc. I can’t see a good outcome for those on the 380 or in the bottom half of the 330.

Wow, glass half full type? :-)

i was mate, until I saw how Australia reacted over 1 case last week. The biggest barrier to LH is not covid. It’s the idiot premiers and the people they’ve brainwashed.

combine that with increasing vaccine scepticism, amd a dumbass media that will headline when someone who has had a vaccine dies, but hides in the small print the investigation showing it was unlinked.

I feel and share your frustration!

Its easy to get all caught up in the negative BS.

Stay well, there'll be beers upline soon enough - my shout.

Qantas won’t be able to navel gaze for years.If what you say is true then Qantas will at some point have to address the new business reality just like most airlines in the world are having to do. A media statement isn’t the law.And they won’t be able to wait till 2024 either.

The fly in the ointment will be that we are 12 months from a federal election so who knows what crazy policies will be wheeled out by either party to govern. That in itself could end International travel to/from Australia for 5 years+

Rubbish.

On what planet do you guys live on?

How do you allow that much negativity to invade your thinking?

Have a look at what has happened at a State level then extrapolate that to a Federal Level. Feeling safe is a big vote winner regardless of the financial cost or economic damage. There are going to be economic repercussions of this isolationism but none cares because they feel safe and in reality Covid has been a financial windfall for many people.

You sound surprised at this? It’s India we’re talking about here, clearly numbers are going to be hugely underreported. A few days ago it was predicted to have been 3-4x underreported.

The Covid global statistics are pointless as no country will be reporting 100% cases or total deaths. The headline number in the UK is “deaths within 4 weeks of a positive test” however if Covid is recorded on the death certificate, it still counts in the underlying stats. It’s not meant to be a scoreboard yet many countries use it to make decisions based around travel. I had a situation in Eastern Europe in the Autumn that said I couldn’t travel if the case rate was over 16 per 100k. It was 15.9. If you don’t test, you don’t find.

Qantas HQ staying in NSW, so Victoria missed out. As for India, they are looking at another 2 million plus deaths if their rate per million population gets to the same levels as the UK, Italy etc..

Here's a thought....they were NEVER going to leave Sydney, AJ would never leave 'The Rocks', the exec. team never to leave 'The Shire'. All bluff & bluster to get a better deal, and then, of course, Gladys would not want to lose her Chairman's Lounge membership would she?

Sunfish was correct...Australia's "soft corruption" at it's finest!

With the reductions in payroll tax & ongoing incentives to keep everything where it is, Joyce will be able to award himself another massive bonus - corruption at its best.