Someone sneezed then...

Yep - associated with other returnees whilst in isolation.

She caught the South African strain in the Low Countries

And despite all of the effort, the virus still gets in.

Spoiler alert: zero Covid isn’t going to work.

FYI - Sweden has since almost the start had some restrictions "recommendations" they call them. On 14 December they increased them including number of people to max 8 for many things.

On 2/10/2020 Sweden reported 93,615 total cases with 5,893 deaths.
On 25/1/2021 Sweden reported 547,144 total cases with 11,318 deaths.

Seems to me these groups in the UK do a lot of talking and not much acting.

SOPS,

Seems to me these groups in the UK do a lot of talking and not much acting.

Quite right old chap,leave the acting to the la-di-da types while we crack on with getting the first Covid vaccine approved and get a vaccination program underway which is currently at >4M and ramping up.

Do keep up

How is this premonition of “opening up” going so far.

Just the 7m doses given so far.

In all seriousness, there has been a definite change in tone in recent weeks - with numbers going through the roof in December, the media have been encouraged to show the darkest side of this virus as a reminder of the grave consequences. Yes lockdown helps, but the numbers have significant reduced in the last week or two.

Is it all just perhaps a big crock of sh_t?
 

I have some "smoking gun" questions, which nobody seems willing to answer, (or can't properly answer for me), based on proper scientific evidence.

I believe they are rather fundamental and very important questions, and until they are answered, the world should just STOP doing everything it is doing now, and answer them properly first, because until it does, nothing else matters really...and we are all just simply wasting our time over the so-called "virus".

Fundamental Question 1:
Why, on a continent populated almost entirely by poor people, where poverty is rife, most of it...extreme poverty....on a continent...which has little-to-no medical facilities to serve its general populace...on a continent....where it's people have little-to-no medical science appreciation or understanding, and frankly could not care less really, about any sort of "virus" or having to wear a mask, when all they can mostly think of daily, is where their next decent meal is coming from....a continent...such as AFRICA...

After almost ONE FULL YEAR NOW of "virus exposure"....why then, is (at least half) of its population not already dead and decimated by the virus?

If one is to believe everything we have been told by medical science, governments and all the rest, about the virulence, contagiousness, and deadliness of the virus, why then, have we not seen Africa's population being at least reduced by HALF, over the last YEAR now?

Nobody either wants to, or can, properly explain this to me, based on scientific fact.

So then, by implication, we must ask a further fundamental question, if we do not have a proper scientific answer to the first:

Fundamental Question 2:
Are we to believe that somehow black people are different, genetically or biologically, to white people?

If not, then I tend towards the theory that the "virus story" we've all been sold, must in fact then, be nothing but a crock of sh_t...otherwise, all things being "equal", half of Africa's population should be dead already...and we should have seen veritable funeral pires of burning bodies on TV these last few months....but we have not.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

Either black people are different somehow genetically or biologically to white people, or the "virus story" we've all been sold, is a crock of sh_t.

It's really quite simple - take your pick and make your choice - you can only choose one, by logical deduction.

"But people are dying everywhere! Even my friend! Even my grandfather!" I hear you say.

Right...but in case you didn't notice...they always HAVE been....and so will you, one day.

And...all your "claimed deaths" in your recently pronounced statement quoted above, STILL DO NOT...answer my 2 fundamental questions above, ANYWAY, so its a meaningless statement you have claiming all the "deaths" in the above statement, in the bigger scheme of things, is it not?

The figures for COVID deaths just don't justify the extraordinary measures which have been taken around the world, and which have damaged economies and livelihoods around the world.

It does not take a genius to see that.

Until my 2 "fundamental questions" above are properly and scientifically answered and justified, I have no alternative but to believe the entire world has been sold a crock of "sh_t" as a story (the entire "corona virus story"), and has been nothing but sold down the proverbial river...

The question THEN would be, WHY?

And THAT, would probably fill an entire forum of responses...

I don't have the answer to THAT...nor will I even venture to speculate...but one thing is for sure, I am not a "conspiracy theorist"...I just want my basic 2 questions answered please.

Thank you for your time.

How about a common sense answer......

Do people in Africa in general go to the shops, drive around in cars, travel by rail, go on holiday by air, use mass transit systems as much as those in the developed world?

Why would half of Africa be dead? The IFR is less than 1%. Therein lies the problem....

Nice try D9009. Its much much worse than that. Until you've properly visited Africa yourself and witnessed the mass "squatter camps" where these people live, where most basically live on top of each other, with little-to-no sanitary "features" even...in their HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS...(making your quoted train trips and shopping mall expeditions look like school-girl picnics by comparison in terms of transmissibility potential of the virus)...you will not understand I'm afraid.

Not sure what you mean by that? If you mean little-to-no IFR capability, knowledge, or appreciation (IFR being compared to medical science appreciation and respect, by the general populace, who will quicker trust ancestral beliefs, bones thrown on the ground and so-called "witch doctors", or government ministers complaining (literally) on national TV that dead bodies should not be wrapped in plastic bags because then they struggle to breathe (I kid you not!), then it emphasizes my point actually...half of its population should be dead already...at least in theory anyway, if we are to believe everything we have been told by our own medical scientists, governments, etc...

"Problem" is...they are NOT half dead...after nearly a FULL ONE YEAR now of virus exposure, MASS EXPOSURE, due to the living conditions the vast majority live under, in the midst of all the poverty, illiteracy, and general ignorance of medical science by the general populace of Africa, hence my original fundamental questions, earlier.

There is a great void between a fraction of 1% and 50%. Even with poor medical facilities, that void is I'm afraid unrealistic to bridge.

I think you missed a closing bracket. Here, have mine :-)

Actually plenty of simple reasons for lower Covid rates in Africa, less public mobility, fewer aged care homes, a robust community health service that exists in most nations.....
But most importantly a younger average population age so fewer in the older age brackets that are most affected.

ok i’ll try again......cars, trains, aeroplanes, subways, trams, helicopters, ships, all somewhat absent in the mass “squatter camps”

Well 100000 dead in the UK and arguments about hotel quarantine. I am keeping up just fine.


https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...b7b573067fb3bb

So if I understand you correctly, there is "somewhat" no transport in Africa then?

Is that it?

Never really been to Africa, have you?

Here...catch a glimpse :

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4769d1341c.jpg

barry mate, I can supply the answer, the common sense you'll have to source yourself