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Shot Nancy 25th Jun 2020 15:04

[/QUOTE]Hong Kong just revived 26 positive Covid results off a inbound Emirates flight from Doha.
[QUOTE]

https://www.chp.gov.hk/files/pdf/flights_trains_en.pdf

Can't deny entry if residents.

Slezy9 25th Jun 2020 18:49


Originally Posted by Blueskymine (Post 10820647)
I fully suspect though like SARs, it’ll burn out and become less severe and more like a common cold.

What are you basing that on?

Ollie Onion 25th Jun 2020 20:53

  1. It is already happening, read the reports coming out of Italy, they are saying that people who get it now and would have died 3 months ago are now not dying. They reckon it will fizzle out this year. The Brits disagree, they say it is becoming less fatal but will take 2-3 years to fizzle out. They both agree though it will be less fatal.

dr dre 25th Jun 2020 21:12


Originally Posted by Blueskymine (Post 10820570)
A380 crew will be back.

Unfortunately it will be in an A350. But it’s better than the alternative and I gather after 3 years they’ll take anything...

Aviation really really sucks sometimes.

Unfortunately? I think any pilot getting the chance to fly an A350 should be over the moon. It’s an infinitely better aircraft than an A380 which is the biggest white elephant in aviation. The A350 is better for the group, more fuel efficient, more flexible, gives the ability to open new routes which will give the company a competitive advantage. Having A350s in the group right now would probably mean a faster return to sustainable load factors and the normal resumption of international schedules.

Wingspar 25th Jun 2020 21:22

It makes sense that if the A380’s are intended to be out for three years then slowly introduce A350’s instead.
Just have to get over the whole capital expenditure thing.
Mind you I heard AJ say yesterday that the capital raising was in part to help Qantas invest after the recovery??

Wingspar 25th Jun 2020 21:31

Actually, the wording was with reference to the capital raising;

”to capitalise on opportunities aligned with its strategy.”

?????

ASX

How much for a A350 at the moment?

maggot 25th Jun 2020 21:47

Yeah i heard that too but....

Wingspar 25th Jun 2020 22:05

I’m starting to believe my own crap now but why do a raising when you spruce to the market you have the ability to run in hibernation until the end of
2021?
Ok, so 600 million for redundancy payments.
Whats the rest for?

blubak 25th Jun 2020 22:08


Originally Posted by Arnold E (Post 10820132)
I note that the 380's are going to be stored in the USA, anyone have an idea why they wouldn't be stored at Alice Springs ?

Its cheaper,dont listen to all the spin about them being in better condition when & if they decide to fly them again,after sitting over there for well over 12 months,getting them serviceable will be a nightmare.

Capt_SNAFU 25th Jun 2020 22:29

If the 380s are there that long it is not just maintenance that is a problem, you effectively have to start the fleet from scratch again. Train the trainers etc etc.

Lookleft 25th Jun 2020 22:36

When A380's start becoming freighters then they are already in the country that has the world's biggest freight companies.

normanton 25th Jun 2020 22:53

They spent $500m on refurbs for 6 of them. At least 6 will come back. My guess is the remaining money from the share raising will be used to buy 350s.

pig dog 25th Jun 2020 23:01

I guess a fair bit of the capital raising will go towards paying this little gem off. This was buried deep within the ASX announcement and was glossed over using weasel words however I read it as “fuel hedging losses are costing QF $11-12 million per week!”

“FUEL HEDGING
The Group’s fuel was fully hedged for the second half of FY20, and 90% hedged for the first half of FY21. With the significant decline in flying activity, the Group’s overall capacity flown has resulted in a substantial reduction in fuel consumption from April 2020 and the anticipated decline in consumption to June 2021 will lead to the non-cash recognition of hedge ineffectiveness of $550–$600 million in the FY20 statutory result.”

unobtanium 25th Jun 2020 23:39


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10821112)
Its cheaper,dont listen to all the spin about them being in better condition when & if they decide to fly them again,after sitting over there for well over 12 months,getting them serviceable will be a nightmare.

Easier (cheaper) for engineers in the US to store + reactivate aircraft, who wouldn't whinge about every small little detail and non compliance. Also if they decide not to activate it, noneed to fly Alice Springs > USA again just to scrap.

noclue 25th Jun 2020 23:54

What does the recently completed share buy back (at $5.56) and now the SPP at 3.65 mean for the bottom line? It gives them access to more cash, but it would be a net loss wouldn’t it?

ozbiggles 26th Jun 2020 00:05

You have to raise the money to pay for the handout Joyce will get when this is all ‘over’.

Chairmans Lounge 26th Jun 2020 00:26


Originally Posted by Lookleft (Post 10821144)
When A380's start becoming freighters then they are already in the country that has the world's biggest freight companies.

Not sure the economics of operating/maintaining such a small fleet would be worth it.

Blueskymine 26th Jun 2020 01:01


Originally Posted by ozbiggles (Post 10821201)
You have to raise the money to pay for the handout Joyce will get when this is all ‘over’.

love him, hate him, I don’t care. However I’m glad he’s the one in the big seat. It means the company will survive.

At the end of the day Qantas ain’t a government entity anymore. Many still behave as if it is.

krismiler 26th Jun 2020 01:07

Realistically, when the government sends in the army over a few cases of COVID - 19 in Victoria, international flying is unlikely to resume this year with the exception of NZ and possibly limited travel bubbles. Profitable international flying will take even longer to come back and the network planners will be starting from scratch with a clean sheet of paper rather than simply reinstating the previous routes. Due to the distances involved in international flying from Australia, widebody aircraft are normally required to reach most destinations in Asia and beyond, these will be difficult to fill at first. Running a hub through Darwin with the B737s into SE Asia could be considered until direct routes become viable again.

City pairs which previously supported direct flights may have to go through a hub instead, double daily may go daily, wide body may go narrow body. Certain routes may turn into cash cows if competing airlines withdraw. Matching capacity growth to pax growth needs to be done right else money is lost or profits are missed.

When to jump back in requires careful judgement due to the lead time required and the necessity to operate at a loss for as short a period as possible. SIA are flying a skeleton international network due to the need to maintain connectivity, but this needs Singapore government backing as pax numbers reaching three digits is cause for celebration.


Busbitch 26th Jun 2020 01:14

QF A380 is one for the history book now, you won't see it flying people ever again. They are just letting the shareholders down lightly.


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