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Lapon 21st May 2020 22:37


Originally Posted by Brakerider (Post 10789212)
Eastern should’ve been flying these Jets in-house since their arrival. Another knife in the back to the long serving Link pilots, many of who had plenty of jet time pre 1989.

Why is that? Why, Easterns and not Sunnies, or mainline?

As RENURPP said the entire thing was an evolvution from the old National Jet using thier own 146 fleet.
If you think think someone else 'should have' had the operation you must know something the powers that be dont, or it is nothing more than sentiment you speak with.

RENURPP 21st May 2020 22:41

Many of the ex Sunstate/Eastern and MAINLINE guys are flying “these jets”. They applied for and were successful, good on them.
i struggle with the idea that you join a company that operates Dash 8’s then complain, whinge and moan when you don’t get to “fly jets”.
if you want to fly jets, apply to a company that operates them.
if you want to drive trucks apply to a trucking company.
NJS took ownership/lease of their first 146 on the 23rd June 1990.
Eastern Australia Airlines became a wholly owned subsidiary in 1991 moving up to Dash 8’s.

JoeTripodi 21st May 2020 23:14

Cue the Qlink cadet bedwetters expecting to “get some jet time before joining Mainline” with this announcement.

Southern handler 21st May 2020 23:29


Originally Posted by RENURPP (Post 10788334)
all I can say is that some one is stretching the truth.
All 717s on the east coast have the engines converted (chip changed basically) every summer which means no significant restrictions on weight. Maybe they bulk out on occasions, but gee that would be rare and I can’t imagine it happening on Canberra Brisbane sectors. The pax mainly carry briefcases.

From the ground in CBR yes it does happen on the CBR BNE route in summer with some regularity. There are still a number of frames whose engines are not setup for hot summers on the east. Bulk out is rare but having weight issues and freight and staff off is a regular thing.

And when they break they often break for quite some time line a day or two

Lapon 21st May 2020 23:42


Originally Posted by Southern handler (Post 10789255)
From the ground in CBR yes it does happen on the CBR BNE route in summer with some regularity. There are still a number of frames whose engines are not setup for hot summers on the east. Bulk out is rare but having weight issues and freight and staff off is a regular thing.

And when they break they often break for quite some time line a day or two

You will have to take that grievance up with Qantas as they pay/save on the derate decisions. Im sure Boeing/Rolls have designed the thing with more than enough power, but whether that is utlised is upto QF.

Ditto the breakdowns, if you want to sit and wait days for parts instead of carrying spares inventory then it is a QF commercial decision and not a failure of mr Boeing.

cloudsurfng 21st May 2020 23:57

Perhaps a history lesson on how the initial flying was ‘awarded’ all those years ago when link/sunnies were in line would be relevant to brakeriders comment. Skullduggery at its absolute worst.

note this is not meant to be an attack on current 717 pilots.

j3pipercub 22nd May 2020 13:39

Feel free to provide said lesson cloud.

QuarterInchSocket 22nd May 2020 20:38

definitely interesting to wake up to, dare i say, good news, amidst the covid turmoil. fwiw, hopefully this acquisition gives some degree of certainty to the staff it impacts and the mainline operation. I do agree, from operational perspective, business as usual. setup will be like the many other subsidiaries of qantas group ie. network, jetconnect, jq qantas group owned but self managed etc
the rationale behind the purchase would make interesting discussion. whether its been in the pipeline for a while, or whether joyce has decided to act aggressively in an attempt to deter virgin 2.0, or whether he just needed the cobham fleet capability in his response plan to covid. I think obviously all of the factors at least have played their part rather than one specific reason.
Personally, i think is good news. Hopefully, no redundancies, and if there are, hopefully they are forecasted out a year or two from now.

Icarus2001 22nd May 2020 23:52


or whether he just needed the cobham fleet capability in his response plan to covid.


They already had the fleet capability, they owned and still own the fleet, now they own the AOC and company as well. It may have more to do with what Advent want than what QF want.

Lapon 23rd May 2020 00:13


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10790392)

They already had the fleet capability, they owned and still own the fleet, now they own the AOC and company as well. It may have more to do with what Advent want than what QF want.

Couldnt agree me with this comment, there is nothing to suggest it was something Qantas wanted, it is just as likely Advent forced Qantas hand.

NJS had already been sold to Cobham, who was then sold to Advent, and now it's been 'sold' to QF.
I cant see how anybody thinks this will lead to any radical operational changes that wouldnt have been possible before.

Blitzkrieger 23rd May 2020 01:01

I imagine the worst case scenario here would be that things only get better. The EBA will be honoured in its entirety devoid of the rubbery interpretations and thus the pilfering will stop. QF will also see the operation in its unfiltered state instead of the rosy, sanitised version of the Titanic like mass that it is/was.


Good luck all!

R.Cruizo 23rd May 2020 04:59

Hope the 717 troops get new management & new management pilots. A long overdue culture change required.

Left 270 23rd May 2020 06:47


Originally Posted by Jacks Cactus (Post 10790512)
Had the misfortune to fly on one of these sh1tboxes from CNS to BNE earlier this year. They are an embarrassment to Qantas. Walked out to a dirty, smelly antiquated piece of crap, and paid a premium price for it. Meanwhile, next bay across is a shiny new Virgin 738, operating the same route. Less money, waaaay better product.

There is no IFE. Wifi was unuseable. The service in economy was a small packet of biccies and a coffee that was best described as vile. Served by a sullen FA who wanted to be anywhere but where she was. At least it was on time and we made it alive.

This is a terrible product, for which Qantas should be ashamed. I've seen far better in mainland USA, and their product is awful too! My only thought is that they bought it for a fire sale price, or its April fools day. They're the only two possibilities.

I pax regularly in the 71, as with most other offerings.
71 is quiet up the front, IFE is via your own device, doesn’t have WIFI, it’s more roomy, better seating and I’d be very surprised to hear that you preferred the cabin service from the QF 73s.



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