My guess is there will be quite a few redundancies from multiple fleets and ranks within the group. This includes 717/f100/320/380/747. How that is done remains to be seen. Alternatively, expect an indefinite period of stand down....much cheaper.
as far as the 717 being in house, it doesn’t really change anything. Your T’s & C’s won’t change, there is no magic path to mainline if that’s what you desire, and it’s no more of a threat to sunrise/320 etc than it was or wasn’t before. If anything, the company will use the 717 pilots as a threat to network and vice versa. and as someone said...the bottom of any seniority list at the moment is not somewhere you want to be! Although I fear we may soon find out that in this particular covid world, your position on the seniority list matters not...all that matters is what fleet you’re on. |
The Question in my mind is who actually owned the 717's and were the lease payments being made or were they out of pocket.
With Qantas taking direct control, payments are now OK and the back room owner is happy again? |
Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
(Post 10788187)
My guess is there will be quite a few redundancies from multiple fleets and ranks within the group. This includes 717/f100/320/380/747. How that is done remains to be seen. Alternatively, expect an indefinite period of stand down....much cheaper.
as far as the 717 being in house, it doesn’t really change anything. Your T’s & C’s won’t change, there is no magic path to mainline if that’s what you desire, and it’s no more of a threat to sunrise/320 etc than it was or wasn’t before. If anything, the company will use the 717 pilots as a threat to network and vice versa. and as someone said...the bottom of any seniority list at the moment is not somewhere you want to be! Although I fear we may soon find out that in this particular covid world, your position on the seniority list matters not...all that matters is what fleet you’re on. |
Cloudsurfing:
there is no magic path to mainline if that’s what you desire Mud skipper: The Question in my mind is who actually owned the 717's and were the lease payments being made or were they out of pocket. With Qantas taking direct control, payments are now OK and the back room owner is happy again? |
Good for the QJet Boys and Girls as they won’t be thrown onto the scrap heap.
But seriously everyone, this changes nothing, to anybody. Some 717 drivers can sleep a bit easier but that’s about it. There will be no sudden expansion of the fleet and they aren’t going to use them to fly Sunrise, JQ, project Abracadabra or anything else. Seriously. I would doubt any money was even involved. |
Quite a fan of the 717, the 2/3 pax config, quietness especially up front etc.
BUT, my biggest concern is how unreliable they have been during 2018/2019. The cancellations on the east coast were ridiculous, bags always being left behind and the blow back from p*#@ed of punters made it known too. What will be done to ensure better reliability going forward? It’s all well and good these gooses saying “right route right plane”.... but no good when it gets cancelled and everyone get chucked on a 737 6 hours later on a recovery flight. |
BUT, my biggest concern is how unreliable they have been during 2018/2019. The cancellations on the east coast were ridiculous be shown some respect and these airframes will be maintained as opposed to kept flying, a very big difference. |
Originally Posted by Flava Saver
(Post 10788272)
Quite a fan of the 717, the 2/3 pax config, quietness especially up front etc.
BUT, my biggest concern is how unreliable they have been during 2018/2019. The cancellations on the east coast were ridiculous, bags always being left behind and the blow back from p*#@ed of punters made it known too. What will be done to ensure better reliability going forward? It’s all well and good these gooses saying “right route right plane”.... but no good when it gets cancelled and everyone get chucked on a 737 6 hours later on a recovery flight. as for unreliable, QF weren’t providing adequate engineering/spare parts. If that doesn’t change then I expect reliability won’t change. |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10787715)
Maybe they’ll call it Impulse Airlines! :}
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Alliance next? Nothing like a Qantas monopoly for Virgin Mk II to compete with.
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Ex 'neville...':
'Any idea what the big picture is here??' Extract here (my bolding): The B717s provide us with [the] flexibility to service many segments of the domestic market, including regional routes, fly in fly out operations or more frequencies to capital cities. These are the kind of routes where travel demand is likely to recover first [from the COVID-19 pandemic]," he said. S28 |
Expect more mainline routes for the 717 until the pax numbers get back to some sort of normality
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Originally Posted by RENURPP
(Post 10788291)
bags being left behind? If that happens, it’s due to baggage handling issues not weight restrictions.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gates
(Post 10788266)
Seriously. I would doubt any money was even involved.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 10787927)
It's good news for the drivers but it really is a pretty grim aircraft - the design is well over 50 years old and so there's only a couple of Operators left - I don't think they have much passenger appeal TBH
Strategically smart to bring the operation in house. With Delta disposing of their 717s now would be the time to buy say 50 dirt cheap frames. Expand with another 20 and park the other 30 in the desert, now you have cheap spares for the next 15 years. Make network all 320 and retire the F100 as the 717 can now do the work. Divest in alliance as the accc was never going to let them take control anyway. |
Originally Posted by Flava Saver
(Post 10788311)
Well Qantas ground staff must be lying to the public then. AND to the staff travellers that get bumped off on flight close out when there’s been in excess of 15 spare seats. Happened on multiple multiple occasions with friends and family I know of. I assume there’s plenty more that have been affected as well.
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Not trying to detail the thread here, but what aircraft has a better business case between the F100 and 717? I'm curious because I have no idea were people are getting the idea the 717 will replace the network F100s from.
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When the 71 was introduced at NJS, at some of the North WA strips in summer it was basically an 80 seater, but I wouldn't have thought that would be the case on the east coast (pretty rare)
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Originally Posted by Flava Saver
(Post 10788311)
Well Qantas ground staff must be lying to the public then. AND to the staff travellers that get bumped off on flight close out when there’s been in excess of 15 spare seats. Happened on multiple multiple occasions with friends and family I know of. I assume there’s plenty more that have been affected as well.
All 717s on the east coast have the engines converted (chip changed basically) every summer which means no significant restrictions on weight. Maybe they bulk out on occasions, but gee that would be rare and I can’t imagine it happening on Canberra Brisbane sectors. The pax mainly carry briefcases. |
Originally Posted by f1yhigh
(Post 10788328)
Not trying to detail the thread here, but what aircraft has a better business case between the F100 and 717? I'm curious because I have no idea were people are getting the idea the 717 will replace the network F100s from.
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