The FACT that Coronavirus infected hospital staff was the original wake up call for me. I was taught by physiologists at Monash that this indicates above average infectivity because healthcare workers take more precautions then the average.
‘We had the same problem with SARS - sick healthcare staff. |
But that does not mean that I should blindly follow what my employer tells me to do just because they say it’s ok. p.s- it hasn’t spread over continents? Really? |
Originally Posted by smiling monkey
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I don’t think viruses are smart enough to know which lane is crew and which lane is pax. They’re airborne pathogens and will indiscriminately infect which ever human they encounter first, regardless.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12307276
"A Chinese official has confirmed a scary new fact about the deadly coronavirus: it is airborne." |
Originally Posted by Sunfish
(Post 10682062)
The FACT that Coronavirus infected hospital staff was the original wake up call for me. I was taught by physiologists at Monash that this indicates above average infectivity because healthcare workers take more precautions then the average.
‘We had the same problem with SARS - sick healthcare staff. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/ea...oronavirus-icu |
Originally Posted by Chris2303
(Post 10683913)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12307276
"A Chinese official has confirmed a scary new fact about the deadly coronavirus: it is airborne." |
Stick shift, hope you are right. Research I read says 24hr+ survival on stainless steel at 20C.
However this is internet chatter. You need to talk to a real doctor, not a GP, for a definitive answer. They may have different ideas. |
Originally Posted by Sunfish
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Stick shift, hope you are right. Research I read says 24hr+ survival on stainless steel at 20C.
However this is internet chatter. You need to talk to a real doctor, not a GP, for a definitive answer. They may have different ideas. |
Hope they’re right :ok:
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Cambodia admits a ship from which an allegedly infected person then flies to Malaysia - no quarantine/isolation beforehand despite numerous other countries previously denying that ship access for valid concerns. Now, why would Cambodia do that? The cynic in me finds it hard not to consider the massive amounts of money China is pouring into Cambodia (and elsewhere) a factor in their decision - and that's even before considering the possibility of there being some "brown paper bags" in the mix.
So, as per news reports, one infected passenger flies to Malaysia and some 1000 others off that ship fly to many destinations out of Phnom Penh. Some countries are implementing harsh but justified conditions to protect people - and then others ............................... |
I find this extraordinary,6 people on the 747 from Haneda to Darwin have tested positive and the crew aren’t even in home quarantine. Irresponsible behaviour from Qantas.
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Qantas have likely followed the guidelines of the Chief Medical Officer of the land. You know the head doctor who knows about this stuff as a professional (as opposed to a pilot or CC with an opinion - or agendas).
The guidelines say that if the crews are wearing appropriate PPE, there is no need to self quarantine even if some pax are positive. |
Originally Posted by compressor stall
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Qantas have likely followed the guidelines of the Chief Medical Officer of the land. You know the head doctor who knows about this stuff as a professional (as opposed to a pilot or CC with an opinion - or agendas).
The guidelines say that if the crews are wearing appropriate PPE, there is no need to self quarantine even if some pax are positive. |
Are you saying that the cabin crew didn’t wear wear PPE?
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That’s pretty obviously what dragon is saying.
His opinion seems to be a good one. I couldn’t quite figure out what your opinion was, can you enlighten us CS? |
My opinion is that if QF follow the medical advice and procedures of the CMO then they have not been irresponsible.
My second comment was clarifying the scope of the word ”crew”. |
You do understand that medical personnel who are acutely aware of proper personal protection protocols are being infected nonetheless, right? And that some are dying?
There has to be an airlock between the general public and the infected individuals, and those who have been in close contact with them. Wishful thinking isn’t enough. |
Originally Posted by Car RAMROD
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ok then. Let’s just say, for arguments sake, that you are a boss and I am an employee of you. Would you get angry at me for refusing to do a flight if I believed that the risk to myself was more than what you believed, and try to dictate that I do the flight or whatever just because you say it’s ok?
we all have different risk levels, I agree. But that does not mean that I should blindly follow what my employer tells me to do just because they say it’s ok. if you, as boss, goes and crews the flight then I might (not will) be more willing to accept- but if the boss isn’t actively putting themselves in harms way, I sure as **** ain’t. p.s- it hasn’t spread over continents? Really? p.p.s I do realise “Coronavirus” is effectively another strain of the flu (I’m not a doctor, let’s not pick apart the nitty gritty of that statement). But this strain has so many unknowns. Is it an over-reaction on the worlds part? Maybe, maybe not. As I said before, we have our own level of risk we are willing to take. Me, I’d personally like it to be an overreaction but at the same time I’m not willing to put myself at increased risk. On 23 October 2017, industrial manslaughter provisions in the Work Health and Safety Act 2011 (WHS Act), Electrical Safety Act 2002 (ES Act), and Safety in Recreational Water Activities Act 2011 (SRWA Act) commenced. These provisions make it an offence for a person conducting a business or undertaking (PCBU), or a senior officer, to negligently cause the death of a worker. In particular, the offence applies if:
Who is a PCBU?For the purposes of the industrial manslaughter offence, a PCBU has the same meaning as applies under section 5 of the WHS Act or section 21 of the ES Act. For example, a PCBU can be a sole trader, a partnership, company, unincorporated association or government department.Who is a senior officer?A senior officer is:
Examples of senior officers may include:
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So, because 'it it written', it's a just and safe policy, and that our Leaders know best?
Has history proven that to be such a great idea? Have a scroll back to some of the Q 'In The News', and 'AIPA Communications'. In particular, re-read Jan 30 AIPA Special Insights - Coronavirus Update. Just for fun, here are some quotes from that gem. "For the information of crew, the World Health Organisation and Australian Health authorities do not suggest there is any reason to cancel mainland China flights." "The virus is not easily transmitted from person to person; unlike SARS." |
That’s a good point Buttscratcher. People in authority are no different from us line pilots, they say what they think is most likely at the time and sometimes they are wrong. I certainly wouldn’t be acting purely on what others say. I’ll weigh it up and take it into account then make up my own mind.
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