And deprive you lot of yet another reason to cry about how jq ruined your career?

I think we'll hold into them thanks.

That's the way, we should have all just sat around unemployed for fear of ruining your 400k a year part time job. A thousand apologies.

A correction.
Little Napoleon did not create Jetstar, he was still at Ansett when it was pitched to QF management by consultants.

I certainly don't look to undercut anyone. Mainline could push for a million dollars a year and I'd be happy for them.

What grinds me is the attitude displayed but a select few muppets such as the one above that JQ pilots are somehow responsible for whatever stagnation they suffered at mainline (and of course ignoring the massive advantage they took from the collapse of Ansett) and deserve the subpar pay or high workload we endure. "Enjoy" was the comment made, along with a snide remark about how long till retirement. Insufferable arrogance.

I took the job that was available. The reality is that mainline simply didn't hire anyone for a decade. Had they offered me a job I'd have happily taken it, but the market didn't provide that opportunity. What else am I to do? Refuse an airline job to protect people earning 5 times what I am on in GA and rot there? Its absurd.

Direct your angst at the management that decided to drive growth outside of mainline, not at the drivers who simply grabbed hold of the only thing that was available.

Jetstar's presence is likely not the source of concern, it does play a role.
At the juncture, Qantas had a choice either re-equip as the fleet gifted by the Australian taxpayer aged, or 'greenfield' an entire airline and hope to drive unit cost lower without destroying revenue.
That Qantas chose the latter and in so doing squandered operating margin is disappointing. It remains impossible to measure, as any unknown-unknown is, however compared to peer airlines it has gone backwards as a group. Alleged lower unit cost aside, many Qantas pilots assumed that a career path existed, a career path that Qantas management didn't dare tell them had evaporated in a lost decade.

It is as plausible that as Jetstar's model is saturated, with a mid cost base, Qantas IR again play the same song and 'greenfield' other entities, with fleet and routes, to lower unit cost. As a more mature business those JQ pilots sitting in the right hand seat may have to wait for retirements rather than growth to further their career.

A tune Qantas pilots are familiar with.

I didn't see these Qantas pilots complaining when after the failure of Ansett the Qantas fleet increased by nearly a third in just 5 years?

You're a fool if you assume you're entitled to a thing in aviation.

I can’t speak for all of course....but the vast vast majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ and understand the reality of the last decade. The frustration is with management and their decisions.

Nevertheless, there are people on both sides with an axe to grind. It was the JPC who pushed for the Darwin base freeze for MOU pilots and the mandatory 6 month FO stint before command...why? Now the shoe is on the other foot perhaps JQ MOU pilots should be frozen to Perth. I’m just pointing out that before people start yelling from an unearned pedestal we appreciate that the majority have opinions no where near the extremity suggested on this faceless forum.

Hey guys - Australian isn't my first language but isn't

" majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ"

a bit patronizing as in

"Some of my best friends are ............. (insert minority)"

Precisely.

Being the favoured child is something that rarely lasts.
What IR give, IR will take away in search of lower unit cost.