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2 More Jetstar A320’s to Network
Just been announced that 2 more Jetstar A320’s are to be transferred to Network aviation due to a ‘resurgence’ in the mining sector. Seems to now be a solid transfer of work to another perhaps cheaper entity. |
Transfer of business....As defined by the FWA? Or Is it Qantas deploying their resources to enable other resources to be utilised elsewhere for the greater good? Time will tell. Perhaps the soft economy is taking its toll on the leisure market? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12246312 |
It makes sense that the arrival of the A321neoLRs will allow older A320s to be sent to Network. It is a little strange (perhaps concerning) that 2 will leave the JQ fleet 6-9 months before the first Neo is due to arrive. Perhaps the soon to be implemented pairing optimiser is predicted to get sufficient hours out of the remaining airframes to cover the lost aircraft (with the exception of CHC-SYD). The word is that the 18 A321neoLRs will lead to roughly 6 extra airframes in the JQ fleet, with approximately the 12 oldest to be pushed out (the aircraft which did not receive the new 186 seat config). Today’s announcement continues to confirm the theory that many of the JQ A320 CEOs will find their way to Network. |
Today’s announcement continues to confirm the theory that many of the JQ A320 CEOs will find their way to Network. As has been discussed the JQ business is overscale and as such finding a 'home' for the surplus aircraft. Some lovely coincidence that it happens to be contract season. Of course the reality that Network can't find a pilot to fly them will not stop the aircraft coming. |
Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10508331)
Of course the reality that Network can't find a pilot to fly them will not stop the aircraft coming.
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Just as I thought. Is it that more A320s to Network frees up B737s and if so to what end? B737s taking on quite a few of the A330 east-west sectors, what of the freed up A330s then? Interesting times ahead. When would one speculate QF get the JQ B788s?
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There is probably 15-20 Jetstar Airbus that are ready to be removed in that they are already on short term lease renewal as it is. There is only 2 A321s that are needing scrap. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 10508358)
There is probably 15-20 Jetstar Airbus that are ready to be removed in that they are already on short term lease renewal as it is. There is only 2 A321s that are needing scrap. The CEP only finished a few months ago, so it would be unlikely that an airframe would be taken offline for a month and the money spent on 186 slimline seats just to get rid of it a year later. |
Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
(Post 10508402)
Given that only 12 A320 airfcraft did not undergo the cabin enhancement project (the reconfiguring to 186 seats) my bet is that it will be this number that leaves the JQ fleet. The CEP only finished a few months ago, so it would be unlikely that an airframe would be taken offline for a month and the money spent on 186 slimline seats just to get rid of it a year later. |
Just as I thought. Is it that more A320s to Network frees up B737s and if so to what end? |
As was posited, the sheer volume of the non-cancellable JQ order totaling AUD$9.5 billion meant that the business had to find a way to re-cycle airframes. As has been discussed the JQ business is overscale and as such finding a 'home' for the surplus aircraft. Odd thing to do if they had orders they didn’t want and can’t cancel. |
Originally Posted by f1yhigh
(Post 10508355)
When would one speculate QF get the JQ B788s?
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 10508508)
Can you explain which B737s f1yhigh?
Edit: and if we are to expect more Network A320s in the future... what of the freed up airframes? |
Originally Posted by Beer Baron
(Post 10508513)
Doesn’t that argument fall apart when one considers they added 10 more aircraft to that order just last month? Odd thing to do if they had orders they didn’t want and can’t cancel. Virgin did the same. Pushed aircraft back to mid to late next decade at the cost of upgrading a lot of -8s to -10. Basically, Give them more cash and new options open up otherwise your delivery schedule ain’t changing. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 10508634)
That’s more a negotiation technique. Essentially they have now upped the order with newfound associated flexibility to stretch orders into late next decade. Basically they have purchased wriggle room from previous piss poor decision making. Virgin did the same. Pushed aircraft back to mid to late next decade at the cost of upgrading a lot of -8s to -10. Basically, Give them more cash and new options open up otherwise your delivery schedule ain’t changing. |
Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10508523)
Could be sooner than you think! I’ve heard two 78 base closures next year as they can use 321s for the Japan flying when they arrive. |
where is this "announcement" couldn't see it anywhere
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Company email yesterday |
Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 10509240)
Company email yesterday |
Definitely a Jetstar company wide email announcement yesterday. |
VQQ and VQR? |
Ha! Why would Qantas Pilots need to see an announcement? It’s only their flying increasingly being siphoned off. Two more 737 airframes freed up... great, weren’t there 737 airframes freed up from the Darwin -Alice flying that’s going? Where is all this extra work for these 737s? Oh, and hint hint, it’s all Perth based 737 stuff... what need is there for a 737 base in Perth anymore? Surely what’s left after Network could all be done from the east coast? |
Originally Posted by ExtraShot
(Post 10509457)
Where is all this extra work for these 737s? Oh, and hint hint, it’s all Perth based 737 stuff... what need is there for a 737 base in Perth anymore? As you and I are wondering, ExtraShot, what of the freed up 737 airframes? |
Originally Posted by ExtraShot
(Post 10509457)
Ha! Why would Qantas Pilots need to see an announcement? It’s only their flying increasingly being siphoned off. Two more 737 airframes freed up... great, weren’t there 737 airframes freed up from the Darwin -Alice flying that’s going? Where is all this extra work for these 737s? Oh, and hint hint, it’s all Perth based 737 stuff... what need is there for a 737 base in Perth anymore? Surely what’s left after Network could all be done from the east coast? The biggest problem will be finding pilots to fill RHS 737 positions in PER. If you put your hand up on day 1 the position is all yours.The big question though is why don’t Network have the same problem filling positions, when the terms and conditions are far inferior to Mainline? Or do they.... |
Originally Posted by Transition Layer
(Post 10509527)
QF Perth Base Manager sent an email to the troops, bit light on detail though apart from planned entry into service dates. The biggest problem will be finding pilots to fill RHS 737 positions in PER. If you put your hand up on day 1 the position is all yours.The big question though is why don’t Network have the same problem filling positions, when the terms and conditions are far inferior to Mainline? Or do they.... just saying |
Originally Posted by Arthur D
(Post 10509587)
Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesn’t take 20 years to get a command..... just saying .......... |
Originally Posted by Arthur D
(Post 10509587)
Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesn’t take 20 years to get a command..... Network could do to Jetstar what Jetstar did to Qantas. |
Originally Posted by Going Boeing
(Post 10509833)
I suspect that the JQ pilots might be getting alarmed at this development. The "20 year to Command" at QF was caused by flying being transferred to JQ. Now that JQ has reached its "mature size" with many relatively young captains, the time to command will be increasing and this could be made worse if flying gets transferred to Network.
Network could do to Jetstar what Jetstar did to Qantas. Ironic, isn't it! |
The general consensus over here at JQ is that the Perth based QF 737 guys might be in trouble. We’re getting 18 brand new Airbuses over the next couple of years. We don’t mind losing a few clapped out classics. |
Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
(Post 10509880)
The general consensus over here at JQ is that the Perth based QF 737 guys might be in trouble. We’re getting 18 brand new Airbuses over the next couple of years. We don’t mind losing a few clapped out classics. |
You blokes at Jetstar spend your time discussing QF bases? How boring.
Of course, nobody knows what the future holds, but at the moment the QF 737 base in PER is bigger than it was when they did the last base balancing. Its almost the same size as brisbane. You can add that into the bar talk. You'll be the hit of the party. |
ACCC decision regarding Qantas buying Alliance is due this month. Alan Joyce said in a press release two weeks ago that he expects it to be approved and if that comes to be, then he wants full ownership of Alliance by end of this year. He also wants to keep current Alliance management in place, so maybe the grand plan is to eventually send some A320's to Alliance and end up with a massive inflow of FIFO workers into the QF system, Australia wide. As it is, Alliance is the largest operator of Fokkers in the world and also controls most of the ever diminishing spare part inventory. Interesting times for both Network/Alliance pilots!
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms
(Post 10509888)
You blokes at Jetstar spend your time discussing QF bases? How boring.
Of course, nobody knows what the future holds, but at the moment the QF 737 base in PER is bigger than it was when they did the last base balancing. Its almost the same size as brisbane. You can add that into the bar talk. You'll be the hit of the party. |
The big question though is why don’t Network have the same problem filling positions, when the terms and conditions are far inferior to Mainline? |
Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
(Post 10509880)
The general consensus over here at JQ is that the Perth based QF 737 guys might be in trouble. We’re getting 18 brand new Airbuses over the next couple of years. We don’t mind losing a few clapped out classics. |
Originally Posted by rep
(Post 10509939)
You should add the loss of 11 787s into your daily mainline chat.
That doesn’t sound like something an airline that about to get rid of a type does. At best QF might get the 3 788s freed up from the Bali routes as the A321LRs arrive and in 2024 onwards the rest of the 788s if/when JQ get the A321XLRs. Ill add this quote from last month article in the Sydney Morning Herald from Jetstar CEO Gareth Evans "We’re going to see over the next two or three years as we execute on that, 30, 40 per cent growth in the Jetstar Australian international business," says Evans. |
How are they going to operate HNL? SGN? ICN? HKT? You really think they will just pull out of all these routes gifting HA, TG all the traffic? |
Originally Posted by SandyPalms
(Post 10509888)
Of course, nobody knows what the future holds, but at the moment the QF 737 base in PER is bigger than it was when they did the last base balancing. Its almost the same size as brisbane.
Doesnt the JQ base out of Perth only operate 3 flights a day to Bali? I’d be more worried about that.... |
Originally Posted by Arthur D
(Post 10509587)
Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesn’t take 20 years to get a command..... just saying Command ain’t everything...just saying |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10510046)
And most transcon flying now the on the 73’, plus a resurgence in mining, I don’t think they have much to worry about there. Doesnt the JQ base out of Perth only operate 3 flights a day to Bali? I’d be more worried about that.... With FRMS and night stops for the BOC flights I’d imagine it wouldn’t take much effort to crew the other two with out of towners. Unless there’s a big expansion in Perth. |
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