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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 03:36
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2 More Jetstar A320ís to Network

Just been announced that 2 more Jetstar A320ís are to be transferred to Network aviation due to a Ďresurgenceí in the mining sector. Seems to now be a solid transfer of work to another perhaps cheaper entity.
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Transfer of business....As defined by the FWA? Or Is it Qantas deploying their resources to enable other resources to be utilised elsewhere for the greater good? Time will tell. Perhaps the soft economy is taking its toll on the leisure market?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12246312


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It makes sense that the arrival of the A321neoLRs will allow older A320s to be sent to Network. It is a little strange (perhaps concerning) that 2 will leave the JQ fleet 6-9 months before the first Neo is due to arrive. Perhaps the soon to be implemented pairing optimiser is predicted to get sufficient hours out of the remaining airframes to cover the lost aircraft (with the exception of CHC-SYD).

The word is that the 18 A321neoLRs will lead to roughly 6 extra airframes in the JQ fleet, with approximately the 12 oldest to be pushed out (the aircraft which did not receive the new 186 seat config).

Today’s announcement continues to confirm the theory that many of the JQ A320 CEOs will find their way to Network.




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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 04:56
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Today’s announcement continues to confirm the theory that many of the JQ A320 CEOs will find their way to Network.
As was posited, the sheer volume of the non-cancellable JQ order totaling AUD$9.5 billion meant that the business had to find a way to re-cycle airframes.
As has been discussed the JQ business is overscale and as such finding a 'home' for the surplus aircraft.

Some lovely coincidence that it happens to be contract season.

Of course the reality that Network can't find a pilot to fly them will not stop the aircraft coming.
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Of course the reality that Network can't find a pilot to fly them will not stop the aircraft coming.
The existing F100 pilots. Those aircraft are getting long in the tooth and donít have long left. Itíll actually help as there are less airframes so less pilots required but more seats to move a similar number of pax, helping with any future crew shortages.

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Just as I thought. Is it that more A320s to Network frees up B737s and if so to what end? B737s taking on quite a few of the A330 east-west sectors, what of the freed up A330s then? Interesting times ahead. When would one speculate QF get the JQ B788s?
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There is probably 15-20 Jetstar Airbus that are ready to be removed in that they are already on short term lease renewal as it is. There is only 2 A321s that are needing scrap.
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There is probably 15-20 Jetstar Airbus that are ready to be removed in that they are already on short term lease renewal as it is. There is only 2 A321s that are needing scrap.
Given that only 12 A320 airfcraft did not undergo the cabin enhancement project (the reconfiguring to 186 seats) my bet is that it will be this number that leaves the JQ fleet.

The CEP only finished a few months ago, so it would be unlikely that an airframe would be taken offline for a month and the money spent on 186 slimline seats just to get rid of it a year later.
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Given that only 12 A320 airfcraft did not undergo the cabin enhancement project (the reconfiguring to 186 seats) my bet is that it will be this number that leaves the JQ fleet.

The CEP only finished a few months ago, so it would be unlikely that an airframe would be taken offline for a month and the money spent on 186 slimline seats just to get rid of it a year later.
That depends if there was head office involvement. Theyíve refurbished plenty of aircraft in time for the ferry flight to the boneyard. .
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Just as I thought. Is it that more A320s to Network frees up B737s and if so to what end?
Can you explain which B737s f1yhigh?
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As was posited, the sheer volume of the non-cancellable JQ order totaling AUD$9.5 billion meant that the business had to find a way to re-cycle airframes.
As has been discussed the JQ business is overscale and as such finding a 'home' for the surplus aircraft.
Doesnít that argument fall apart when one considers they added 10 more aircraft to that order just last month?
Odd thing to do if they had orders they didnít want and canít cancel.
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Originally Posted by f1yhigh View Post
When would one speculate QF get the JQ B788s?
Could be sooner than you think! Iíve heard two 78 base closures next year as they can use 321s for the Japan flying when they arrive.
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Can you explain which B737s f1yhigh?
The WA regional flights. At the moment it's a mix of F100s, B737s, B717s and the two A320s (soon to be two more). Two more Network A320s would free up B737s, am I correct?

Edit: and if we are to expect more Network A320s in the future... what of the freed up airframes?
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Doesnít that argument fall apart when one considers they added 10 more aircraft to that order just last month?
Odd thing to do if they had orders they didnít want and canít cancel.
Thatís more a negotiation technique. Essentially they have now upped the order with newfound associated flexibility to stretch orders into late next decade. Basically they have purchased wriggle room from previous piss poor decision making.

Virgin did the same. Pushed aircraft back to mid to late next decade at the cost of upgrading a lot of -8s to -10.

Basically, Give them more cash and new options open up otherwise your delivery schedule ainít changing.
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post

Thatís more a negotiation technique. Essentially they have now upped the order with newfound associated flexibility to stretch orders into late next decade. Basically they have purchased wriggle room from previous piss poor decision making.

Virgin did the same. Pushed aircraft back to mid to late next decade at the cost of upgrading a lot of -8s to -10.

Basically, Give them more cash and new options open up otherwise your delivery schedule ainít changing.
The QF group have moved the delivery schedule around quite a bit without having to order more aircraft. The first A320neo was originally due in 2014 I believe... then 2016... 2018... and now (hopefully) 2020.

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Could be sooner than you think! Iíve heard two 78 base closures next year as they can use 321s for the Japan flying when they arrive.
Very interesting! Watching this space, interesting times ahead.
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where is this "announcement" couldn't see it anywhere
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Company email yesterday
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Company email yesterday
No one outside of Network has seen any email. So much for "... only two" etc
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Definitely a Jetstar company wide email announcement yesterday.
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