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wheels_down 4th Jul 2019 09:17

VQQ and VQR?

ExtraShot 4th Jul 2019 13:07

Ha! Why would Qantas Pilots need to see an announcement? It’s only their flying increasingly being siphoned off.

Two more 737 airframes freed up... great, weren’t there 737 airframes freed up from the Darwin -Alice flying that’s going? Where is all this extra work for these 737s? Oh, and hint hint, it’s all Perth based 737 stuff... what need is there for a 737 base in Perth anymore? Surely what’s left after Network could all be done from the east coast?

f1yhigh 4th Jul 2019 13:30


Originally Posted by ExtraShot (Post 10509457)
Where is all this extra work for these 737s? Oh, and hint hint, it’s all Perth based 737 stuff... what need is there for a 737 base in Perth anymore?

Is QF allowed to completely replace Perth base 737 with Network?

As you and I are wondering, ExtraShot, what of the freed up 737 airframes?

Transition Layer 4th Jul 2019 15:01


Originally Posted by ExtraShot (Post 10509457)
Ha! Why would Qantas Pilots need to see an announcement? It’s only their flying increasingly being siphoned off.

Two more 737 airframes freed up... great, weren’t there 737 airframes freed up from the Darwin -Alice flying that’s going? Where is all this extra work for these 737s? Oh, and hint hint, it’s all Perth based 737 stuff... what need is there for a 737 base in Perth anymore? Surely what’s left after Network could all be done from the east coast?

QF Perth Base Manager sent an email to the troops, bit light on detail though apart from planned entry into service dates.

The biggest problem will be finding pilots to fill RHS 737 positions in PER. If you put your hand up on day 1 the position is all yours.The big question though is why don’t Network have the same problem filling positions, when the terms and conditions are far inferior to Mainline? Or do they....

Arthur D 4th Jul 2019 16:07


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 10509527)


QF Perth Base Manager sent an email to the troops, bit light on detail though apart from planned entry into service dates.

The biggest problem will be finding pilots to fill RHS 737 positions in PER. If you put your hand up on day 1 the position is all yours.The big question though is why don’t Network have the same problem filling positions, when the terms and conditions are far inferior to Mainline? Or do they....

Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesn’t take 20 years to get a command.....

just saying

morno 4th Jul 2019 21:52


Originally Posted by Arthur D (Post 10509587)


Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesn’t take 20 years to get a command.....

just saying

:D

..........

Going Boeing 4th Jul 2019 22:21


Originally Posted by Arthur D (Post 10509587)
Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesn’t take 20 years to get a command.....

I suspect that the JQ pilots might be getting alarmed at this development. The "20 year to Command" at QF was caused by flying being transferred to JQ. Now that JQ has reached its "mature size" with many relatively young captains, the time to command will be increasing and this could be made worse if flying gets transferred to Network.

Network could do to Jetstar what Jetstar did to Qantas.

gtseraf 4th Jul 2019 23:52


Originally Posted by Going Boeing (Post 10509833)
I suspect that the JQ pilots might be getting alarmed at this development. The "20 year to Command" at QF was caused by flying being transferred to JQ. Now that JQ has reached its "mature size" with many relatively young captains, the time to command will be increasing and this could be made worse if flying gets transferred to Network.

Network could do to Jetstar what Jetstar did to Qantas.


Ironic, isn't it!

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 5th Jul 2019 00:04

The general consensus over here at JQ is that the Perth based QF 737 guys might be in trouble.

We’re getting 18 brand new Airbuses over the next couple of years. We don’t mind losing a few clapped out classics.

Jc31 5th Jul 2019 00:19


Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE (Post 10509880)
The general consensus over here at JQ is that the Perth based QF 737 guys might be in trouble.

We’re getting 18 brand new Airbuses over the next couple of years. We don’t mind losing a few clapped out classics.

id say that the Perth based jq guys might be in trouble also

SandyPalms 5th Jul 2019 00:33

You blokes at Jetstar spend your time discussing QF bases? How boring.

Of course, nobody knows what the future holds, but at the moment the QF 737 base in PER is bigger than it was when they did the last base balancing. Its almost the same size as brisbane.
You can add that into the bar talk. You'll be the hit of the party.

AussieAviator 5th Jul 2019 00:57

ACCC decision regarding Qantas buying Alliance is due this month. Alan Joyce said in a press release two weeks ago that he expects it to be approved and if that comes to be, then he wants full ownership of Alliance by end of this year. He also wants to keep current Alliance management in place, so maybe the grand plan is to eventually send some A320's to Alliance and end up with a massive inflow of FIFO workers into the QF system, Australia wide. As it is, Alliance is the largest operator of Fokkers in the world and also controls most of the ever diminishing spare part inventory. Interesting times for both Network/Alliance pilots!

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 5th Jul 2019 01:00


Originally Posted by SandyPalms (Post 10509888)
You blokes at Jetstar spend your time discussing QF bases? How boring.

Of course, nobody knows what the future holds, but at the moment the QF 737 base in PER is bigger than it was when they did the last base balancing. Its almost the same size as brisbane.
You can add that into the bar talk. You'll be the hit of the party.

Believe it or not I don’t talk work at parties or at the bar! Only when I’m bored on the fourth sector and we’ve finished talking about the footy. Or when I’m equally bored on days off on PPRUNE 😂


ExtraShot 5th Jul 2019 02:21


The big question though is why don’t Network have the same problem filling positions, when the terms and conditions are far inferior to Mainline?
Indeed, is there a prominent use of the ‘Skilled Visa’ program within Network? I mean, let’s face it, every other industry is using the Skilled Visa program to suppress wages, why not Aviation?

rep 5th Jul 2019 03:55


Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE (Post 10509880)
The general consensus over here at JQ is that the Perth based QF 737 guys might be in trouble.

We’re getting 18 brand new Airbuses over the next couple of years. We don’t mind losing a few clapped out classics.

You should add the loss of 11 787s into your daily mainline chat.


ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 5th Jul 2019 06:40


Originally Posted by rep (Post 10509939)
You should add the loss of 11 787s into your daily mainline chat.

We’ve just announced a new route (OOL-ICN) and are upgrading Capts, FOs and training new SOs to the 787.

That doesn’t sound like something an airline that about to get rid of a type does.

At best QF might get the 3 788s freed up from the Bali routes as the A321LRs arrive and in 2024 onwards the rest of the 788s if/when JQ get the A321XLRs.

Ill add this quote from last month article in the Sydney Morning Herald from Jetstar CEO Gareth Evans

"We’re going to see over the next two or three years as we execute on that, 30, 40 per cent growth in the Jetstar Australian international business," says Evans.

PoppaJo 5th Jul 2019 07:02

How are they going to operate HNL? SGN? ICN? HKT?

You really think they will just pull out of all these routes gifting HA, TG all the traffic?

dr dre 5th Jul 2019 07:06


Originally Posted by SandyPalms (Post 10509888)
Of course, nobody knows what the future holds, but at the moment the QF 737 base in PER is bigger than it was when they did the last base balancing. Its almost the same size as brisbane.

And most transcon flying now the on the 73’, plus a resurgence in mining, I don’t think they have much to worry about there.

Doesnt the JQ base out of Perth only operate 3 flights a day to Bali? I’d be more worried about that....

Transition Layer 5th Jul 2019 08:23


Originally Posted by Arthur D (Post 10509587)


Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesn’t take 20 years to get a command.....

just saying

I’ll happily sit in the RHS for 20 years with better terms and conditions, plus options for a more diverse career, than the LHS at Network flogging up and back to The Pilbara.

Command ain’t everything...just saying

Blueskymine 5th Jul 2019 11:20


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10510046)


And most transcon flying now the on the 73’, plus a resurgence in mining, I don’t think they have much to worry about there.

Doesnt the JQ base out of Perth only operate 3 flights a day to Bali? I’d be more worried about that....

It’s pretty much two as east coasters crew the middle of the day flight.

With FRMS and night stops for the BOC flights I’d imagine it wouldn’t take much effort to crew the other two with out of towners.

Unless there’s a big expansion in Perth.


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