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Just when I thought the EBA negotiations were a myth. There is more discussion on here than the JPC private app. Why anyone in JQ is apart of AIPA has me F$@ked. They have absolutely no interest in our conditions. |
Meantime, the Network and Cobham drivers are thinking they wish they had Jetstar conditions. Be nice if we were all on the same conditions but I can’t see it happening. No harm in asking though. |
Why anyone in JQ is apart of AIPA has me F$@ked. They have absolutely no interest in our conditions. |
Originally Posted by Derfred
(Post 10365395)
I'm not sure how you can deduce that from an ambit log of claims by one party.
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Originally Posted by dragon man
(Post 10365377)
“4. No pattern protection: be careful what you wish for. Want to have your entire roster up-ended in week 1 and owe them for your entire rosters? I guarantee you'll drop the hours; or you won't and then complain about it to everyone anyway” In long haul there are two parts to this, firstly produce a medical certificate for the duration of the pattern and there is no pattern protection,secondly you can drop the balance of the pattern protection unpaid. It’s a good system IMO. |
Originally Posted by ConfigFull
(Post 10365407)
Try going sick for 5-9 days
For me that’s never a problem. |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 10365398)
If you look at the trend of AIPA Presidents leaving and getting management roles one does have to wonder.
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Originally Posted by OCTA
(Post 10365349)
A-Pilot - so you work for Jetstar? If so you signed a contract agreeing to the terms of the offer of employment. If anyone didn’t like this terms they they didn’t have a gun held against their head to sign them. Hey more money is great but if you accepted the terms you shouldn’t expect the terms to be significantly changed 12 months later (or whatever the EBA length is) Sure expect an increase as per inflation but why would you expect to get anything else? Pop Gun - so do you eat at McDonald’s and expect fine dining? You work for Jetstar not Qantas so expect to be treated as the low cost step brother even if you do make mum more money. |
Titian - thanks but then this site wouldn’t work very well would it? |
So OCTA, when the company comes along and asks for an 18 month wage freeze because times are tough, employees can say “nope, these are the conditions I signed on to so you must maintain them (in real terms) forever. You knew what you were getting into when you employed me”? |
Aghhhhhhh! How sad that you lot are content with throwing crap at each other. If you put half that energy into pushing back at the airline management, we’d all be in a better place. God help us! |
Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
(Post 10365564)
Aghhhhhhh! How sad that you lot are content with throwing crap at each other. If you put half that energy into pushing back at the airline management, we’d all be in a better place. God help us! Unfortunately it appears there is still ongoing bad blood between elements within the QF and JQ pilot groups that spans bitterness to jealousy over 14 years since the Orange step-child was welcomed to the family. The sad irony is that EVERYONE works for the same company...the Qantas group. There is only ONE share price, only ONE bucket of money. Wouldn’t it be great if we could all act in unity as a group of professionals standing together in solidarity against the weight of MBA graduates and accountants that know the cost of everything yet the value of nothing. PG |
Originally Posted by Popgun
(Post 10365611)
Wouldn’t it be great if we could all act in unity as a group of professionals standing together in solidarity .....
PG What an excellent idea. It also has the advantage of being effective. Especially now. Would it be correct to say that both Qantas Short Haul and Jetstar are negotiating for better terms and conditions at the same time ? Effectively putting the majority of Australia’s short haul flying at stake if things got difficult. Effectively putting the majority of Australia’s short haul pilots in a postition of leverage. You’ve all earned the enhanced terms and conditions. The market shows a positive trend in pilot remuneration, with FLID leading the way with his own 20 million dollar payout. How could he disagree ? :E |
When the Qantas long haul contract has gone backwards re the 787 then I think in reality to think that both Qantas shorthaul and Jetstar can improve conditions is not going to happen. Should it. Yes? Without a doubt. Maybe a change of government will make industrial action easier, maybe pilots voting with their feet thru resignations, sick leave or changing types in persuit of a better lot will help, but I think I can safely say it will not be an easy task. |
Maybe a change of government will make industrial action easier, Yep, turned out great during the dispute when Labor were in power! |
It is an interesting insight into the state of an industry that a union actively attempting to leverage a potential advantage for its membership attracts such differing opinion.
There has been little collective leverage from the organsised labour movement, in part to the very anti-worker environment in most western economies and duplicitous union motivation. Dare it be said but unions were a result of severe asymmetry benefiting the employers or owners of capital. A well worn path now sees union leadership find itself on a management fast track from Stream Lead to IR negotiators. In years passed such a move would be viewed very seriously by a union. One with experience of the more militant unions in building and construction may recall how such actions have been interpreted and responded to in the past. Aviation is not alone, finance sector union leadership are invited into the management suite such that the carpet needs regular replacement. Is it any surprise that wage outcomes in the western hemisphere have seen ever declining real wages, falling living standards and increasing levels of debt? The motivation of the AFAP ought be applauded, as at long last, the union leadership is no longer the nodding head in the background as management speaks. |
Originally Posted by OCTA
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So when they signed their contracts agreeing to the above terms they where happy with them... but now they are not? Maybe they shouldn’t have signed the initial contracts, it’s not like they have lowered the pay..... |
.Do the Jetstar guys think they can successfully fight Qantas? Wouldn’t it be nice to see a little bit of this kind of mongrel in the QF negotiations (shock - horror, a log of claims is now ‘going rogue’!!), rather than the current Stockholm Syndrome that seemingly exists?! |
Originally Posted by ExtraShot
(Post 10365920)
Obviously the AFAP guys do, and more power to them. Wouldn’t it be nice to see a little bit of this kind of mongrel in the QF negotiations (shock - horror, a log of claims is now ‘going rogue’!!), rather than the current Stockholm Syndrome that seemingly exists?! |
Originally Posted by ExtraShot
(Post 10365920)
Obviously the AFAP guys do, and more power to them. Wouldn’t it be nice to see a little bit of this kind of mongrel in the QF negotiations (shock - horror, a log of claims is now ‘going rogue’!!), rather than the current Stockholm Syndrome that seemingly exists?! You don’t seem to understand that the CEO you are dealing with is completely unfazed by ‘mongrel’ and ‘fight’ and other tough sounding negotiating tactics. |
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