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Launy for QF Training School
Does anyone know if there is any rumour to the truth :} that QF has decided on Launceston for their new Future Airline Captains Training School? FACTS?
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No decision has been made yet.
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With the renowned Sydney Centricity that Qantas is famed for.....the further away from the CoatHanger the less likely it becomes Just Sayin. |
i don't think Parafield back in the 90s was very Sydneycentric.
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Originally Posted by Dangly Bits
(Post 10140849)
Does anyone know if there is any rumour to the truth :} that QF has decided on Launceston for their new Future Airline Captains Training School? FACTS?
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There was a news article on Monday morning, saying that Albury was also putting in a bid for the QF training academy.
I'd say various regional cities with airports In NSW, VIC, TAS, QLD, are all putting in bids, with the hope of becoming the home of the QF academy. |
Maybe a few other airports in Tasmania with Western Junction being the hub. Certainly no congestion problems in Tasmania and it’s close enough to Victoria for advanced navigation excercises. I thought Qantas built and still owns the hangar that Sharp Airlines currently use. I’m pretty sure that facility has lots of office and workshop space. Plenty of room for expansion down there and pretty good flying conditions for flight training around Launceston. |
You’re talking 50+ aeroplanes and 70ish flying instructors as well as accommodation and messing facilities for 500. There are few places in Australia that can cope with those sorts of numbers without massive additional infrastructure spend- spend that Qantas is unlikely to want to fork out. |
It will be interesting to see where they get the instructors from. |
Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
(Post 10141134)
It will be interesting to see where they get the instructors from. In terms of a location with capacity to train and house these sorts of numbers, I understand the township of Leigh Creek in SA is pretty much deserted ever since the coal mine closed a couple years back. Large underutilized airport with AVGAS & JET facilities all ready to go! |
A group of us were in Taswegia for the Symmons Plains Supercar event and then followed Targa Tasmania, a number of newspaper articles about the training facility being based at Devonport. Steve Martin former Devonport Mayor, now federal politician was pushing for it to go to Devonport, plus all the local experts were happy to give their expert Aviation opinions on all matters aeronautical One of our group laughed about Steve Martin mentioning the bit about the pilots needing a university degree to upgrade to be a captain. Perhapps East West Loco, knows a bit more? If it goes to Devonport, the students will be up to speed on crosswinds! |
I would have thought Tasmanian weather would have made any large size flying school a non starter. If all the students are located in the one town you need to have consistantly good weather patterns. You cant have large complex flying programs blown out by months due to weather. And Tasmania gets it all fog/hail/snow/sleet/freezing fog plus a few 50 knot gales just to keep you on your toes.
There is a reason there are big int'l flying schools in SA & WA |
I understand the township of Leigh Creek in SA is pretty much deserted. |
Neville, you are quite wrong regarding Launceston weather. Western Junction (aka Launceston Airport) was one of the several RAAF training fields in the area during WW2, it worked quite well then. Very occasionally, fog will persist past midday.Vis is usually far better than coastal flying I’ve done in Qld; many winter days are magic for flying. Overall, Launceston has far better weather than Melbourne, although the winter overnight temps can get cold, it almost ensures a calm clear day following. Launceston is a good size, with plenty of facilities, as is the airport itself. It would be excellent in the grass runways are retained, it allows better traffic management for training activities, and offers choices to have or to avoid crosswinds. i think Launceston would be a good choice. |
Isn’t there going to be a very empty space in Tamworth soon? |
https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/ima...ontal_main.jpgThis island is for sale (seriously). Perfect weather, and a tropical climate for the young acolytes of Alan. Perfect for a new flying school. For sale by goverment - https://dawhois.com/site/mavuvaisland.com.html |
Originally Posted by VH-FTS
(Post 10141523)
Isn’t there going to be a very empty space in Tamworth soon? |
Tablelands Newspaper in QLD stated Mareeba was on the shortlist a few months ago. Cannot find the article online. |
What! The academy isn't already pumping out QF devotees? I thought this was to counter the "rumoured" pilot shortage. Better get onto it Alan!
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Can't go past Tamworth I reckon. ILS, Facilities in place, Good weather etc.
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Originally Posted by Alpha Whiskey Bravo
(Post 10141756)
Can't go past Tamworth I reckon. ILS, Facilities in place, Good weather etc.
Qantas will use all the other councils as a bargaining chip to get the best deal, but, with all the infrastructure (& some instructors) already in place, they could be up and running almost immediately. When you add the Tamworth weather into the equation, I would be very surprised if it went anywhere else. |
And it's close to SYD!
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 10142001)
And it's close to SYD!
Tootle pip!! |
I originally thought as you did Going Boeing. I did hear a rumour though that when Joyce was undergoing treatment for prostrate cancer that he was there at the same time with one of the family members responsible for Wellcamp and that a friendship was struck up and that their ‘can do’ attitude may see the training facilities established there. Not for $20 mill mind you, they’d need a truck load more than that for a green fields site. |
Originally Posted by Keg
(Post 10142565)
I originally thought as you did Going Boeing. I did hear a rumour though that when Joyce was undergoing treatment for prostrate cancer that he was there at the same time with one of the family members responsible for Wellcamp and that a friendship was struck up and that their ‘can do’ attitude may see the training facilities established there. Not for $20 mill mind you, they’d need a truck load more than that for a green fields site. |
Easily scaleable to cope with up to 500 trainees AWB?
Can anyone realistically view any single training provider in Australia coping with 40 new trainees every month of the year? Aeroplanes? Instructors? LAMEs? Ground Instructors? It'll be awesome if they can make it work but it's a scale that Australia has never seen. Even at it's peak in the early '90s the Australian Aviation College (now Flight Training Adelaide) struggled to get more than about 180 through in any one year. |
Whoever told Alan Joyce 500 a year was doable gave him really bad advice. Across 10 other large schools possible, but something the size of what would be needed for 500 a year would take way more than $20Mill to get started. Where will they find the Instructors to start with?
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They can pay me what they pay me to fly and I'll happily become a full time GR1 again, even have ATO approvals. Home every night. Perfect. Oh, they want to pay the award? Bwahahahah. Good luck.
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The powers at be probably wouldn’t like the truth bombs Keg and others are dropping here. It kinda smells like RedQ....if they do manage it at some point it won’t be in 12 months time. |
It's just what business's do in the modern era. They make unrealistic aspirational statements, as a lofty goal rather than some realistic target. This then inspires ' 'enablers' to move the project along. The thing is now that the financial press don't actually do any journalism, including the ABC, so nothing any business actually says gets challenged. So when it all falls in a heap they will just move onto the next project and all is forgotten. As long as you don't end up in a royal commission or go broke it's all good. |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 10143606)
It's just what business's do in the modern era. They make unrealistic aspirational statements, as a lofty goal rather than some realistic target. This then inspires ' 'enablers' to move the project along. The thing is now that the financial press don't actually do any journalism, including the ABC, so nothing any business actually says gets challenged. So when it all falls in a heap they will just move onto the next project and all is forgotten. As long as you don't end up in a royal commission or go broke it's all good. Unless they pay mega bucks they are not going to attract instructors. Qantas wont want to pay for it and it wont be ready in time or of a big enough scale as others have said. When you have a SH EBA and a LH eba coming up its a great thing to threaten with an obvious shortage. Emirates can’t get pilots or Training pilots and are cancelling flights now. Alan would be livid that pilots are in a strong bargaining position. Sadly AIPA lack conviction and strong leadership and the pilots are not confident so I doubt much will be achieved in the largest shortage in history. Like to say I’m wrong but a great majority would take a pay cut just for a new toy. |
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...pilot-academy/
It is expected the Academy will employ more than 40 people in training and support roles, and partner with local businesses and suppliers to support key administrative and catering functions, providing new opportunities to drive economic activity in regional Australia from 2019. They will need more than 40 staff. Tell 'em they're dreaming! |
One would be well versed reading the very small print. 'Return of Service Obligations', 'located at company priority' and 'release subject to operational requirements' likely to feature in the fine print. Caveat Emptor! Should this yet to be located, built, staffed and equipped school operate, the focus for Qantas 'group' will be the lack of suitable applicants in both regional and 'subsidiary' airlines. A Jetconnect base and flying in Australia is a nice circumvention of the existing agreements we would postulate.A sturdy stream lead will have their hand firmly on..the tiller
Qantas has been 'terminal', 'transformed', needing AUD $3 billion government assistance, starting JQ HK, having 400 JQ aircraft by 2020 and even Red Q (which never was settled as to whether it would be in Malaysia or Singapore) all in the tenure of one little Napoleon. With anything Mr Joyce says Give weight to actions, but heavily discount his words. |
Im curious as to the cost to the cadet and how it compares to the VA cadetship program.
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Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10143681)
One would be well versed reading the very small print. 'Return of Service Obligations', 'located at company priority' and 'release subject to operational requirements' likely to feature in the fine print.
British Airways will pay back the entire cost of training their cadets (£84k) if they remain with the airline for 7 years. Aer Lingus and Air France sponsor their student pilot training completely. If imagine there’d be a minimum employment obligation but when you’ve had the bill for your flying training covered I don’t think too many students would be complaining. If I was a recent high school grad or uni student I don’t think I’d be too concerned with being “forced” to fly a Q400 for a number of years with training paid for either. |
Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
(Post 10141114)
Maybe a few other airports in Tasmania with Western Junction being the hub. Certainly no congestion problems in Tasmania and it’s close enough to Victoria for advanced navigation excercises. I thought Qantas built and still owns the hangar that Sharp Airlines currently use. I’m pretty sure that facility has lots of office and workshop space. Plenty of room for expansion down there and pretty good flying conditions for flight training around Launceston. |
When it was proposed to bulid the Ansett training college at Launceston, the Federal Airports Corporation planned to build a parallel runway complete with an ILS, remove the three grass runways and build the training/hangar complex on the eastern side of the airport.
Let the pork barrelling begin! |
Sandgropers are in on it... YCUN??!!
The West, 12 May 2018
WA Push To Land Qantas Pilot School
By Geoffrey Thomas, Aviation Editor The State Government will set up a task force to try to lure the proposed Qantas Group Pilot Academy to WA. Qantas has issued a formal request for proposals from States and airports for the location of its new pilot training school, which the airline plans to open next year with an initial intake of 100 trainees. Eventually it plans to train 500 pilots a year for its own operations and those of other airlines. Competition for the academy is expected to be intense from around the nation. But the WA Government believes that the State’s weather and more open airspace will be big advantages. Qantas requires 300 days of “flying weather” a year, the airline’s proposal says. It also requires an asphalt runway and taxiways with minimum runway length of 1300m, capability of full lighting for night and reduced-visibility operations and fuel tanker refuelling. Also on the list are hangars and covered facilities to accommodate maintenance and parking space for up to 30 planes, with the ability to expand to more than 50 planes. The Government’s task force will bring together tourism, transport and regional development to formalise WA’s comparative advantages for the facility. The task force will consider potential locations around the State as part of its investigation, including Busselton-Margaret River, Jandakot, Geraldton, Cunderdin and Albany. The Government said that it would also continue to work closely with China Southern to support the existing China Southern WA Flying College in Merredin, as well as Singapore Airlines’ training operation at Jandakot. |
For a training school of any size you can rule out any airport that already has an airline training academy. After being at ymmb for a bit I have found that since the RA schools started up that an academy for 500 pilots really need their own runway access so the school isn't battling for circuit space. YMMB is basically at capacity now that it has 4 large schools.
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