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Captain Gidday 15th May 2018 06:14


Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs (Post 10144836)
The West, 12 May 2018

I'd be looking at Kalgoorlie as the pick of WA. Big enough town with enough facilities and spare accommodation to support a school of this size [Not talking about Hay Street here]. Two or three trains and about four airline services per day linking back to Perth. Great weather nearly all the time and meets all the airport requirements I think. Not too much traffic: airline F28s, charter aircraft and Air Force training jets currently come and go, but not excessive. All the empty sky that anyone could possibly want.

Maggie Island 15th May 2018 06:35


Originally Posted by Captain Gidday (Post 10147091)
I'd be looking at Kalgoorlie as the pick of WA. Big enough town with enough facilities and spare accommodation to support a school of this size [Not talking about Hay Street here]. Two or three trains and about four airline services per day linking back to Perth. Great weather nearly all the time and meets all the airport requirements I think. Not too much traffic: airline F28s, charter aircraft and Air Force training jets currently come and go, but not excessive. All the empty sky that anyone could possibly want.

YCUN could offer the prospect of accomodation/facility sharing with the Ag school that sits right beside the aerodrome. In addition there is the potential for reduced overall cost (to the government and QF) should the field be required to be upgraded to international spec for diversion purposes.

Keg 15th May 2018 09:17

YPKG and YCUN don’t have an ILS so unless their submissions include the addition of those facilities they’re going to be a long way behind some other contenders.

Derfred 22nd May 2018 16:10

Is the USA leading the way?

A link to another thread: CFI’s are included in the process

glekichi 25th May 2018 18:11

Oh, so that's why the only place in Tasmania ASA only offer CPL/ATPL exams is Launy........ despite the existing schools in the state that offer professional courses all being in Hobart... It finally makes sense!!!

AerialPerspective 12th Jun 2018 23:06


Originally Posted by Jeps (Post 10143605)
The powers at be probably wouldn’t like the truth bombs Keg and others are dropping here. It kinda smells like RedQ....if they do manage it at some point it won’t be in 12 months time.

I think that’s “... the powers THAT be...” just sayin’

Lookleft 12th Jun 2018 23:27

A major criteria is also the weather. I doubt Launy or Hobart would meet that.

Power 13th Jun 2018 00:05

https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...for%20Tamworth

This ad on AFAP leads me to believe its going to Tamworth with CAE/Oxford

Jeps 13th Jun 2018 00:11


I think that’s “... the powers THAT be...” just sayin’
You are quite right. I believe it was written in the early hours in a different timezone. Forgiveness please :E

megle2 13th Jun 2018 02:29

That AFAP job add mentions award plus 10%. I haven’t checked the award but would it be reasonable to say it’s hardly attractive

swells 13th Jun 2018 02:39


Originally Posted by glekichi (Post 10156788)
Oh, so that's why the only place in Tasmania ASA only offer CPL/ATPL exams is Launy........ despite the existing schools in the state that offer professional courses all being in Hobart... It finally makes sense!!!

used to be the case until a couple of years ago, exams are now also done in Hobart

Fieldmouse 13th Jun 2018 08:37

Tamworth
 

Originally Posted by Power (Post 10171740)
https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...for%20Tamworth

This ad on AFAP leads me to believe its going to Tamworth with CAE/Oxford

I would suggest that if it doesn't go to Tamworth it would be due to a large number of brown paper bags changing hands, or pork barrelling on a biblical scale at another site.

logansi 13th Jun 2018 08:55

CAE just moved all there Indian cadets to Tamworth and are struggling to get instructors they are offering bonuses and housing allowances for Moorabbin based instructors to move. They moved all their diamonds up there and apparently 50% are sitting idle.

glekichi 14th Jun 2018 05:22


Originally Posted by swells (Post 10171779)
exams are now also done in Hobart

Good to hear!

TBM-Legend 14th Jun 2018 06:14

Tamworth is the logical place for one of the schools. Remember the BAE/ADF facility closes down when that training moves to RAAF Sale. All is in place including accommodation etc and direct QFLink services to HQ in Sydney

Angle of Attack 14th Jun 2018 07:41

I also can’t see why anyone would go past Tamworth to be honest, it ticks all the boxes for everything.

Ascend Charlie 15th Jun 2018 06:16


I also can’t see why anyone would go past Tamworth to be honest, it ticks all the boxes for everything.
...and Chad Morgan every January!

Going Nowhere 22nd Jun 2018 02:47


Capt Fathom 22nd Jun 2018 04:51

Shortlist from the post above
 
  • Alice Springs, Northern Territory
  • Bendigo, Victoria
  • Busselton, Western Australia
  • Dubbo, New South Wales
  • Launceston, Tasmania
  • Mackay, Queensland
  • Tamworth, New South Wales
  • Toowoomba, Queensland
  • Wagga Wagga, New South Wales

I'd be surprised if it didn't go to Tamworth or Wagga Wagga. But I've been surprised before!

JPJP 22nd Jun 2018 05:30


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 10178884)
  • Alice Springs, Northern Territory
  • Bendigo, Victoria
  • Busselton, Western Australia
  • Dubbo, New South Wales
  • Launceston, Tasmania
  • Mackay, Queensland
  • Tamworth, New South Wales
  • Toowoomba, Queensland
  • Wagga Wagga, New South Wales

I'd be surprised if it didn't go to Tamworth or Wagga Wagga. But I've been surprised before!

Completely disagree ! Alan will choose this island as his legacy, upon which he can train his youngsters. Like a modern version of Lord of the Flies. With rainbow overtones. Plus, he’ll have them paying for the pleasure. Another South Pacific money maker, and another game changer !


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...25c5a28e8.jpeg


The island Is for sale.

LeadSled 22nd Jun 2018 06:22


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 10178884)
  • Alice Springs, Northern Territory
  • Bendigo, Victoria
  • Busselton, Western Australia
  • Dubbo, New South Wales
  • Launceston, Tasmania
  • Mackay, Queensland
  • Tamworth, New South Wales
  • Toowoomba, Queensland
  • Wagga Wagga, New South Wales

I'd be surprised if it didn't go to Tamworth or Wagga Wagga. But I've been surprised before!

Captain Fathom,
Wouldn't Alice Springs be the obvious site ---- "fair to all the states and territories" being equally inconvenient for everybody, with limited distractions for the cadets --- unless bar brawls are your preferred entertainment, and a few other "attractions" that are probably best left unsaid.
Tootle pip!!

CharlieLimaX-Ray 22nd Jun 2018 08:15

I thought having an ILS was one of the requirements?

Seagull201 22nd Jun 2018 08:53

The QF article mentioned, their aim is to have 2 locations, as they won't be able to accommodate the training output from a single site.
One of the training locations should have an ILS and be located close to other navaids.

Alice Springs: I don't think so. Dust storms, also students can get lost on navex's due to it's remoteness.

Wagga Wagga: A major flying school is there.

Dubbo: Could be one of the locations.

Tamworth: Yes. For the advanced training part also it's close to Dubbo.

My pick: Dubbo and Tamworth.

Professional Amateur 22nd Jun 2018 08:54

What about Toowoomba welcamp. Use Oakey ils.

On eyre 22nd Jun 2018 12:11

Probably finally depends on how much ($) they (QF) can coax out of which state government to make it happen !


Square Bear 22nd Jun 2018 12:26

Surely thoughts would need to take into account where the FI’s might want to be based.

Not like there here is an abundance of those about these days....

Going Nowhere 22nd Jun 2018 13:06

No doubt they’ll be dangled a carrot by QF.

”Give us x years and you can apply via the EOI...”

Meanwhile training people who will be ahead of you in seniority.. ��

Does this mean that the QF group will start employing fewer ex flight instructors so as to not drain the pond too much? Offer them the “Thanks but no thanks” email with a “but... we have a flying school if you’d like a job.”

Hasherucf 23rd Jun 2018 07:12


Originally Posted by Professional Amateur (Post 10179051)
What about Toowoomba welcamp. Use Oakey ils.

Definitely in the top 5 and a bit of a dark horse in the race. Queensland Government and Wagners will be pushing hard . Toowoomba booming at the moment and the new bypass that passes Wellcamp opening soon. Qantas fly in twice a day!

Launceston out for the weather.

Alice Springs last for sure !

Professional Amateur 23rd Jun 2018 08:18

Yeah tbar is a no brainer. No competition. Ils 10nm away. Army is shrinking ita operations there. Great there city to live in nearby. Private airport run by a pragmatic businessman. Empty airport with plenty of room for an academy. 1.5h from Brisbane (by car). Centerally located in Australia...... The list goes on.

Don Diego 23rd Jun 2018 08:40

The whole thing is a con, no business person in their right mind would put their own money into such a project. Every boom is followed by a bust, so any hapless investor who gets stooged with this one best have deep pockets because as we all know only too well the bust will last for years. ( That is why Q want others to finance it and take the risks ).

Seagull201 2nd Jul 2018 07:58

I don't think Dubbo could be an option for the new QF flying academy, watched tonight's news, there's too much crime lately in the area,
compared to the rest of the state (NSW).

Reckon, Tamworth and Toowoomba/wellcamp airport could be the best picks.

Transition Layer 2nd Jul 2018 08:51

I reckon Dubbo would be a shoe in if the School is headed up with the former Airlink boss DM as CFI. His instructional techniques and motivational skills are second to none! :}

Rated De 2nd Jul 2018 08:55


Originally Posted by Don Diego (Post 10179772)
The whole thing is a con, no business person in their right mind would put their own money into such a project. Every boom is followed by a bust, so any hapless investor who gets stooged with this one best have deep pockets because as we all know only too well the bust will last for years. ( That is why Q want others to finance it and take the risks ).

It is also an indictment of modern management practice.
Airlines need pilots otherwise Operating Revenue drops to zero.

It would seem self evident that a steady supply of pilots would be considered a strategic imperative.
Unfortunately Qantas is not about being an airline. Airlines are hard work.

In the minds of the creative folk in marketing every little bit of what ought be a strategic and therefore expeditiously researched, funded and operational structure, is spun for all it is worth.

Like the junket announcing the 'first 787' for Qantas conveniently ignored the other 600 odd flying and indeed the 11 in service with JQ, this whole thing is all tip no iceberg.

Professional Amateur 3rd Jul 2018 11:04

From the SMH:
'Qantas has asked regional cities and state governments to apply to host the new school, and has whittled the bids down to 10 - Alice Springs (Northern Territory), Bendigo (Victoria), Busselton (Western Australia), Toowoomba (Queensland), Launceston (Tasmania), and Dubbo, Tamworth and Wagga Wagga (NSW).'

Yeah I only count 8......but my money is on Toowoomba. We taking bets?

On eyre 3rd Jul 2018 11:28

PA - article omitted Mackay.

Capt Fathom 3rd Jul 2018 11:33

When they say Toowoomba, are they talking Wellcamp or the Toowoomba town airport?

Professional Amateur 4th Jul 2018 01:50


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 10187331)
When they say Toowoomba, are they talking Wellcamp or the Toowoomba town airport?

I reckon wellcamp. Capacity to build own facilities but importantly..... Deal with a businessman rather than a council.

ContactMeNow 4th Jul 2018 02:47

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHGTI

Oxford been travelling to Tamworth. I'm not too sure if thats part of their training flights, or their management team heading there for meetings or site inspections? A typical off Moorabbin landing lasts for 20-30mins, but Tamworth trips have been more than that.

TBM-Legend 4th Jul 2018 05:16


Army is shrinking ita operations there
Not so. Singapore Air Force is moving its CH-47 Chinook training to Oakey from Texas. They still have SAF Super Pumas based there for training and support at Rocky..

New control tower being built at the base. Only Kiowas leaving...

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 4th Jul 2018 08:32


Qantas has asked regional cities and state governments to apply to host the new school
Hang on, who's school is it?

Capacity to build own facilities
I don't think QF has any intention of doing much of that.


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