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There are some very precious little dears on this forum. The more new flights QF start the better it is for all of Australian aviation. More jobs, and they are needed.
To fly to the UK direct from one of the most isolated continents is a great achievement. Yes it would have been great if it was done years ago rather than spending all resources growing an LLC, but it has happened now. Let's hope there are lots more. |
Originally Posted by donpizmeov
(Post 10097149)
There are some very precious little dears on this forum. The more new flights QF start the better it is for all of Australian aviation.
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Was the other 380 grounded? Or was it, and crew sent somewhere else?
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
(Post 10097213)
Was the other 380 grounded? Or was it, and crew sent somewhere else?
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I think this route is more a PR stunt than anything else. Add a stop in Dubai and you lose 1-2 hours, can double the payload, reduce the crew cost by half and take at least 25% off the fuel cost. Most people do not want to pay more than $100 extra to save an hour...
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Originally Posted by procede
(Post 10097318)
I think this route is more a PR stunt than anything else. Add a stop in Dubai and you lose 1-2 hours, can double the payload, reduce the crew cost by half and take at least 25% off the fuel cost. Most people do not want to pay more than $100 extra to save an hour...
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If travelling from east coast Oz, is the total time any longer with a transit in Dubai, Singapore, Bangkok etc?
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Originally Posted by Fris B. Fairing
(Post 10097326)
Yes but they may be prepared to pay extra to avoid being exposed to another airport with all its agencies and their potential for spoiling one's day.
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Originally Posted by ruprecht
(Post 10097285)
It now does MEL-SIN-MEL.
Alan Joyce stated that Sydney nonstop would be achieved in 2022. Is that going to replace the other A380 flight with a 787 ? |
Getting the other side now...lol
https://www.news-mail.com.au/news/so...-was-/3371093/ Mrs Fliegs & I now head to europe on AY with a CX code share and HKG stop.....have had to only once been made to fly QF since 'The Grounding'.....will not fly with them since the grounding if at all possible...never entertained heading through the ME....Sin or Hkg are so better placed...and jetstar is a simple 'no'...been there done it....won't do it again...ditto Scoot etc... 17 hrs in QF Economy??? 17 hrs in the dark??...Yeah...no thanks...I really enjoy that AY mid morning departure....it's novel....and arrives at a great time... |
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Originally Posted by clark y
(Post 10097344)
If travelling from east coast Oz, is the total time any longer with a transit in Dubai, Singapore, Bangkok etc?
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Without reading all the posts can anyone tell me what are the flight crew numbers on this flight PER-LHR ie Captains and FOs just interested regarding duty time on/off my mate tells me the Airline he works for is it 18 hours max from report to finish duty.
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Originally Posted by Bravohotel
(Post 10098441)
Without reading all the posts can anyone tell me what are the flight crew numbers on this flight PER-LHR ie Captains and FOs just interested regarding duty time on/off my mate tells me the Airline he works for is it 18 hours max from report to finish duty.
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No room for any delay. I think this operation will last maximum 6 months and added services will be put on Hong Kong and/or Singapore. The aircraft will not be able to, and already have diverted to who knows where as the crew hit the hard limit of 20 hours. Just how Qantas positions a crew and WHEN is a very interesting permutation. Unfortunately for Qantas, CASA didn't grant a further exemption... For the slot to be maintained Qantas will slide it to a token 'three times a week' sort of service, before quietly dropping it all together with the QF9 routing through Singapore. Alan's random walk complete, from 400 JQ aircraft by 2020, Red Q, 'terminal declines and transformations', a game changing hub in DXB, only to abandon it five years later and head back through Singapore. Pure genius. Oh and they still need a new fleet |
Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10098536)
As we quietly postulated on another thread, wait until a Northern winter sees the aircraft supposedly entering a hold at LAM, BNN due a TEMPO.
The aircraft will not be able to, and already have diverted to who knows where as the crew hit the hard limit of 20 hours. Just how Qantas positions a crew and WHEN is a very interesting permutation. Unfortunately for Qantas, CASA didn't grant a further exemption... For the slot to be maintained Qantas will slide it to a token 'three times a week' sort of service, before quietly dropping it all together with the QF9 routing through Singapore. Alan's random walk complete, from 400 JQ aircraft by 2020, Red Q, 'terminal declines and transformations', a game changing hub in DXB, only to abandon it five years later and head back through Singapore. Pure genius. Oh and they still need a new fleet |
Geez you lot are hard to please.
Record profits, new metal/carbon, new routes, shed loads of recruiting and training, promotions left right and centre etc etc............... I really would hate to see it if things were going pear-shaped! |
interesting and will QF go back to routing to UK in addition via SIN also go via BKK again or compete with BA (and MH) and a route via KUL???
It is plausible that Perth to London was not covered by the alliance and therefore a way around it? We are well aware of huge conflict at senior management level about the 'alliance' and lack of tangible benefit for Qantas. (it couldn't end soon enough) Logistically the route is thin and suffers from real operational constraints, both from regulatory and meteorological perspectives. The aircraft can physically do it at least it APPEARS to, however the people operating it are very constrained. A planned TOD of 19.50 leaves no room. European weather being what it is EGLL may require a few early diversions, standby crew positioning and where they are positioned adds more variables. Our hunch is that, given the flight wasn't oversold and some passengers appeared transferred from the existing service through Dubai, it may well quietly be curtailed, a bit like the AOC being split and the many millions spent before abandoning that 'idea' Mr Joyce for all his favourable press, high remuneration and self promotion, does not seem in the cold light of day to execute well. This could be viewed as poor strategic modelling and a hierarchical management structure. Complex systems need broad inputs and route selection with a new aircraft is a big puzzle. Mr Joyce's tenure shows examples of poor execution that may indicate poor strategic governance. JQ HK comes to mind , whereby the plan as submitted did not comply with the Principal Place of Business rules. Very poor that an airline didn't know the rules, inexcusable really. A hasty re-write and a big cheque to Stanley Ho, with an introduction form Mr Packer conceivably, was still not successful. Red Q, lacked similar strategic thought. First Malaysia, then Singapore, then quietly dropped. A quick investigation of AOC applications at the time shows that these were made coincidentally around the same time as the announcement. Perhaps this service results from a poorly structured model too. Poor strategic thinking, announcing and running a route that may well from a reliability (weather and crew limits) perspective may not be achievable sufficiently frequently to generate the Operating Revenue and patronage. We would not be surprised to see a QF9 service via Singapore in the Northern Winter. |
I really would hate to see it if things were going pear-shaped! |
interesting and will QF go back to routing to UK in addition via SIN also go via BKK again or compete with BA (and MH) and a route via KUL???
Dunno...& Don't care....There's been better ways for a good number of years now....with airlines that are as equally as safe, & far less disrespectful to their clients Speaking as someone who has had a 30 yr association from TAA through the original Australian and onto QF ... & I'm not the only one I know who shuns the Rat nowadays... Don't get me wrong...I've had some awesome times with QF...AND I'm an Australian....but since GD....Since AJ tried to tell us that he 'just got up one morning'...all was lost.... You're probably right re the Northern winter and the route being quietly dropped to return through SIN..GT likely won't report it! Ha ha.. |
GT has been very quiet lately!
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Pommie [LON base] F/A's on first "Australian" direct service too...
Didn't see that in the news. |
GT has been very quiet lately! |
By Geoffrey Thomas...
The West Australian, Monday, 26 Mar 2018. We didn’t feel a thing On the first commercial Concorde flight as it passed through the sound barrier, a passenger sitting next to one of the chief designers said, “I didn’t feel a thing” . The designer replied, “That was the hard part” . And so it was on the first Qantas 787 nonstop flight from Perth to London — two years of hard work so that passengers didn’t feel a thing. It was effortless because of the enormous effort expended by Qantas, Boeing, engine maker General Electric, Perth Airport and Border Force. And that effort was on show at Perth Airport on Saturday evening, because it seemed every Qantas staff member was working, whether rostered or not. As QF9 taxied away from the terminal, airport staff and visitors at every vantage point waved us farewell. The tyranny of distance was finally defeated — easily. The food, wine and champagne flowed and across the plane it was a thumbs up on the culinary scorecard. According to Lisa Norman, Qantas’ 787 chief pilot and in command of the flight, it was “leading the pack” of Europe-bound flights from Asia and what is more, we were flying higher at more than 12,000m, giving us clear air ahead in what is some of the world’s most congested airspace. The landing, to rousing cheers, was superb. We have made history. Comforts ease squeeze The headrest is too high, or not high enough, my neck feels like it’s been kicked by a donkey’s hind legs and I’ve lost all feeling in my right leg. The much-hyped Dreamliner this may be, but let’s get one thing clear, this is a long-haul flight and, as with all long-haul flights, there are places you’d much rather be — bed for a start. That said, these complaints are universal. But, if you’re sitting at the back of the bus, Qantas’ spanking new Dreamliner is about as good as it’s going to get. They’ve thought of everything here — there’s a stand for your iPad, plug sockets and USBs. On a flight that takes off a few hours before bedtime, sleep was going to be critical to prevent cattle class from descending into a scene from the Muppets. The cabin lights gently faded to a red glow after dinner and the temperature dropped, which was our cue to try to catch a bit of shut-eye . The legroom, however, was a common niggle. The second the seats went back, we were squished in centimetres of space. As we hit the tarmac at Heathrow, there was a loud round of applause at the back of the plane and not only because the inaugural flight had made it in one stab (let’s be honest, we were all a tad nervous). It was over, far quicker than we expected. |
Oi dinna feel a 'thing' eiver......
Oi wasn'e even dere...... cheeerrrsss... (Hic) |
Does the QF 787 have the Y class row with window-seat-with-no-window that the EY machines possess?
12 hours jammed in a corner after expecting a view on the outside world is bad enough.....but 17.... And the nannying window-shading, even if you do have a window? |
Does the QF 787 have the Y class row with window-seat-with-no-window that the EY machines possess? Long been a Boeing feature, to regard windows as optional for certain rows just mid-cabin, apparently to route service ducts behind. Other manufacturers seem able to do without such an approach. |
Geoffrey Thomas insisted and was given 5K. What the hell was Anthony Albanese doing on the flight? Reward for keeping quiet during Senate Enquiries or just in anticipation of a Labor Government?
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
(Post 10098687)
Pommie [LON base] F/A's on first "Australian" direct service too...
Didn't see that in the news. |
What the hell was Anthony Albanese doing on the flight? Reward for keeping quiet during Senate Enquiries or just in anticipation of a Labor Government? 'Regulatory capture' is an interesting process Qantas have their invite only Chairman's lounge, junkets to Seattle, where the aircraft was full of 'journalists' where the champagne and caviar flowed. Scant mention of the fact that there were 600 odd 787 already operating, some on the Pacific... As Media Watch correctly asserted, critical commentary is few and far between Riding the first Qantas Dreamliner: Seattle, Honolulu and finally Sydney | afr.com Yet Mr Joyce stands there with a straight face calling out the Australian cricket team for corruption (cheating) when their own business practice is at best soft corruption. Wonder why no one challenges it in the mainstream? Ask Jo Easton at the AFR.. |
Inching toward NYC
Qantas Airways Ltd. is evaluating direct flights from Australia to Chicago as the next step in its plan to add more ultra-long-haul destinations using an expanding fleet of Boeing Co. 787 jetliners. It’ll be interesting to see how this compares when SIA commence their 350ULR to NYC later in the year. |
SIA-NYC will be further
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Originally Posted by TurningFinalRWY36
(Post 10099331)
SIA-NYC will be further
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Originally Posted by busdriver007
(Post 10099035)
Geoffrey Thomas insisted and was given 5K. What the hell was Anthony Albanese doing on the flight? Reward for keeping quiet during Senate Enquiries or just in anticipation of a Labor Government?
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Does anyone know what the fuel on board was when they parked at London, and Perth. Just curious as to the fuel burn.
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Does anyone know what the fuel on board was when they parked at London, and Perth |
the rumour is the flight plan had them arriving with 8T FOB, that's about 1.5hrs of fuel at Landing weight.
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No rumour. They were planned over the top with 8. (Maybe 7.9... last week so I can’t remember anymore!) That’s at least 1.5 hours over min reserves of 30 min so closer to 120 minutes over the top. Given the low fuel flow of the 787 and the lower ZFW of these flight I suspect 8.0 is probably closer to 135- 140 minutes. No idea what they were on blox with.
Interestingly the flight a couple of days ago was planned at 17:35 flight time. Originally had 4.4T over the top. They had space to load additional fuel (which they did). Would have ended up closer to 6.0- 6.5 over the top. |
Keg,
The 787's are good on fuel, but there is no way 8T is ever going to be more than 120mins of fuel. But, its good to see they can get there with 60 holding plus reserves if the have favourable winds. in reality, the PER-LHR is not as fuel critical in the final stages as the LHR-PER will be. Lots of options in Europe, approaching PER, not so much. without a big tailwind, 8T won't get you to ADL |
Originally Posted by stormfury
(Post 10099328)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...long-haul-push
It’ll be interesting to see how this compares when SIA commence their 350ULR to NYC later in the year. |
Originally Posted by Roj approved
(Post 10100426)
.... Lots of options in Europe....
Oh that's right, just get the duty limit changed: https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...27-p4z6l2.html "Mr Joyce also said aviation regulators would have to change rules restricting how long pilots can fly for the long-haul routes to work." |
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